To the “Please, please, please, pretty please” it has already offered AIG.
From the NYT:
A.I.G. Planning $100 Million in Bonuses After Huge Bailout
By EDMUND L. ANDREWS and PETER BAKER
WASHINGTON — Despite being bailed out with more than $170 billion from the Treasury and Federal Reserve, the American International Group is preparing to pay about $100 million in bonuses to executives in the same business unit that brought the company to the brink of collapse last year.
An official in the Obama administration said Saturday that Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner had called A.I.G.’s government-appointed chairman, Edward M. Liddy, on Wednesday and asked that the company renegotiate the bonuses.
Administration officials said they had managed to reduce some of the bonuses but had allowed most of them to go forward after the company’s chief executive said A.I.G. was contractually obligated to pay them.
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“We cannot attract and retain the best and the brightest talent to lead and staff the A.I.G. businesses — which are now being operated principally on behalf of American taxpayers — if employees believe their compensation is subject to continued and arbitrary adjustment by the U.S. Treasury,” [Liddy] wrote Mr. Geithner. The government owns nearly 80 percent of the company.
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Let’s be clear; AIG made its money gambling. For all the finance doubletalk Nutella the boys in the $10,000 suits have schmeared over every surface of this shit sammich, anyone who got rich at AIG over the last 10 years made their dough covering other people’s bets that a bunch of Capitalism’s Biggest Crack Houses -- about whose internal health AIG apparently neither knew nor cared -- wouldn’t go “Boom!”
Then they all went “Boom!”
And now, like any other gambler, AIG has to pay up or go down hard.
Unlike any other gambler, our government says that AIG gets to pick our pockets to make good on its bad bets, because if we don’t go good for these reckless fucknozzles horrendous mistakes, the global economic hard drive will crash and dump us all into the middle of the 11th Century in our underpants.
Or something.
Which may be a mile-high pile of happy horseshit, or may be just hard fiscal truth; I don’t know enough to judge.
What I do know is that we have been lied too, used, fucked over, rolled over, rinsed and repeated over and over again by this same species of clowns enough already.
So on the one hand, maybe the people who flew the world financial system into a mountain really are holding some Special Genius Monetary Powers in reserve that will save us all, but that for some reason they have clearly not bothered to use so far.
Or maybe they’re just holding the last 100 lbs of Majyk Fiscal Pixie Dust hostage in the basement of AIG.
And either way, maybe there really is no way to persuade these Radical Reaganomic Jihadists -- the children with those Armani "Best and Brightest AIG Talent" explosive vests strapped to their chests -- to help extinguish the planetary economic conflagration they fucking well helped ignite other than to give into their demands and pay out millions and millions and millions of dollars in ransom.
That's on the one hand.
On the other hand, maybe there is another way.
Maybe we’re coming at this from exactly the wrong direction.
Maybe it's time for a little of that "shared sacrifice" we've been hearing so much about to be vigorously shared up the food chain instead of just down.
And maybe one of America’s oldest and most profitable temples of raw, unfettered capitalism already figured out long ago the most effective way of dealing with deadbeat gamblers
like those at AIG.
14 comments:
What kind of Bonuses would they get if we just let them fail, fired them all, took it over and sold it.
My brother lost $90k of his retirement money...that's where their bonus money should be going. This is so wrong no matter how they try to frame it.
How did he lose $90K of his retirement money? He'd saved 90K and the bank went bust? If so, doesn't the fdic guarantee the saved amount up to 200K?
Did his retirement fund gamble with the 90K he put into it and lost it?
Or what?
I love hearing these CEO's talk about losing the "best and the brightest" if they dont pay the bonus. Number one, if these are the best and the brightest, those who pissed away billions....maybe its time for the "worst and the dimist" to take over. Number two, exactly where is it that the best and the brightest will flee if they dont get the bonus? The casino industry has it's own problems, and Wal-Mart is full up with those who lost their collective ass's thanks to ....the "best and the brightests".
I suspect it is the latter, Myrtle June. For folks who only had the choice of a 401k/IRA, most put their contributions into mutual funds invested in stocks. I have friends who had the choice of only 3 options in their company's/agency's plan; stocks1 stocks2, or bonds, with no option to just park it in a money market if they decided they didn't want exposure to either at some point or another. I know plenty of people who have lost at least 50% of the entire value of their retirement account; one is at minus 80%.
The underlying immorality of the self-controlled retirement fund is that there is no way an average person can work their normal job and then have the time, inclination, education, or information needed to successfully compete against the Masters of the Universe to try to grow their retirement funds. Oh sure, the ads with the guys in the nice suits telling you how their mutual fund will "fight for you" or some such crap are all out there, but every market pro knows that mutual funds are where you end up if you aren't smart/greedy enough to land at a hedge fund where there is REAL money to be made. The fees charged by mutual funds are well hidden, but they are a tax upon your returns, and unlike hedge funds, the mutual funds get their cut even if they lose money. In their glory days, hedge funds all based their compensation mostly on a % of the profits made, hence the extreme pressure/motivation to win at all costs.
I recall some newly minted rethug/capitalists I knew buying into the idea that having a 401k/IRA allowed them the chance to make truly big bucks as long as they were smarter than the next investor; they didn't like the idea of a defined-benefit pension plan taking away their chance to hit it big at the casino. A defined-benefit pension would be a godsend to nearly every person out there in the retirement account world, which is why corporations were so thrilled at the idea of off-loading this obligation by creating 401k's and IRA's; it freed up so much more cash for the CEO class to plunder for themselves. No matter how much, it is never enough.
Sorry for the long rant; I've been bitching about this for 10 years. It only became of interest to people once they got their first shocking retirement account statement.
I think it is time to put names and faces with those who receive these bonus. Get some interviews with them and find out just who would hire the best and the brightest if they decided to leave AIG. I doubt any of them are capable of shame but it would be interesting to see them walking around with a scarlet letter of sorts.
No one can simplify a situation down to the quick quite like you do, Dg.
You are the one who should get the bonuses (as if these aren't just keep it quiet payoffs).
For valor under pressure.
Great comment from SoaS too.
Or maybe they’re just holding the last 100 lbs of Majyk Fiscal Pixie Dust hostage in the basement of AIG.
And either way, maybe there really is no way to persuade these Radical Reaganomic Jihadists -- the children with those Armani "Best and Brightest AIG Talent" explosive vests strapped to their chests -- to help extinguish the planetary economic conflagration they fucking well helped ignite other than to give into their demands and pay out millions and millions and millions of dollars in ransom.
Loading up before "Going Galt"?
I guess I'm like the supreme court. I can't define obscenity but I know it when I see it.
Fatten up little piggies. In the dark world of your creation, there be a wall with your name upon it. What's it worth to you not to be standing in front of it?
You DO understand that the "Army" is made up of mostly po' folk?
Good luck getting them to defend your worthless lardasses.
How much do you think you could squeeze by on in these hard times?
I keep wondering just exactly what it will take before the torches and pitchforks go from figurative to literal. These clowns seem determined to keep pushing until we all find out.
Redefining "Adding insult to injury."
Meh. Nobody involved with this should ever work again.
Thanks String.... I have to agree. I had the "opportunity" to switch to the same kind of deal but I didn't have the time nor inclination to monitor, sweat, and fret ONE MORE thing.... as you describe. I already have to have that yearly boob press and stirrup swab testing and, yanno, that's quite sufficient to have to monitor and worry and fret about every year.... Thank. You. Very. Much. So I told them no.
That said, my retirement fund is a "state" fund and who knows what the hell they invested in. I do know as soon as that damn enron shit went down our madatory contribution rate went from 3% to 9% over 3 years time. Got a 3% raise, they took 3% more for the fund... for three years running. One more mortgage payment and then I'm going to have to cash that out or take a partial cash out to retain some of the benefits..... and it BETTER be there.
Also, unless this guy actually put 90K of HIS dollars into that fund, then he didn't actually lose 90K. He lost his portion only, not the pretend value the "market" assigned to it to constuct this house of cards.
AIGers are laughing their asses of at all of us. BofAers too. Geeeeze where's Jimmy Stewart when you need a responsible banker. feh.
I feel for you, Myrtle June. As long as you are at the front of the line to cash out, you should be able to get your money; it's the ones in the back who find out the till's empty.
I don't know which state you are in, but here in Colorado the state employee retirement fund had been making noises last fall about being underfunded, and it is just a (very) limited selection of mutual funds. The next wave of "oh noes" is going to be felt at the state and local level; what CA recently did because of their budget black hole is just the beginning since I don't expect a banner year in property tax receipts just about anywhere in the US. The knock-on effects just keep knocking-on...
AZ.... in AZ. The yearly contract people have been notified of some problems with theirs but the state has said theirs is fine. And, we are facing the furloughs as well. At least for this year only the Pres/Directors/VP levels will participate in that. Next year it will be everyone furloughing and most likely layoffs as well. They're also making all those on yearly contracts now sign 6month contracts instead so they can adjust them out more easily. Tons of people saw that writing on the wall over the last 18months and began an exodus that continues. I'm older so having NO luck finding squat. Lots of jobs out there but none local and I'm a H.O. so can't exactly sell the damn thing.
Colorado is where I'm trying to go so that doesn't sound very promising from what you say. :-(
I'm going to start looking at what grants they're handing out in the green jobs since that's where some jobs will be. Hopefully some will be local here.
It's pretty humorous to hear these people defend the rich. Rick Santelli and Andrew Sorkin twist into pretzels to make the logical leap that these people need these bonuses to survive.
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