Friday, December 02, 2022

Listening To This Was Embarrassing

If you are reading this blog you are probably familiar with an MSNBC subsidiary called The Bulwark..  Part of MSNBC's larger, Bush regime dead-ender reputation rehabilitation project, The Bulwark is basically The Weekly Standard 2.0, cloaked in the tattered remains of MSNBC's credibility and underwritten by continuous air-time devoted to promoting Bulwark employees.  

And, if you are a regular reader, you might also know that I am a Very Bad Liberal because I occasionally write harsh-but-true things about the opinions of various Bulwark employees.  In fact, there are a regular cadre of anonymous minders who stop by once or twice a week to scold me for paying too much attention to our new Never Trump supervisors and not enough time to something something the terrible sins of the Democratic party.  

Since such comments are always lengthy, blathery and deeply offended that I have written something  harsh-but-fair about my Never Trump betters, I'm guessing that these are the burner accounts of Charlie Sykes or Tom Nichols or Davis Brooks' research assistant.  In any event, they are adorable and the give me a chuckle each time I consign them to digital oblivion.

Anyway, the invariably condescending and/or self-aggrandizing communiques from our Never Trumper supervisors sometimes provokes an indignant reaction from me.  Sometimes eye rolls.  Sometimes bafflement.  But this time what I felt was embarrassment.  For them.

Sure, it's cringy.   

And unintentionally hilarious.

And confirms exactly what I'd predicted.  

But mostly embarrassing.

It is a conversation between Peter Wehner and Charlie Sykes.  

Wehner, in case you are unfamiliar, is one of those Superchristian, Bush-era guys who spent most of his career preening about the moral superiority of the GOP, and seething about the depravity of people like you and me.  He was a big Iraq War booster, a former speechwriter for both Bushes,  and a "vocal critic of the Obama administration", contending that President Barack Obama has "undermined America's moral self-confidence".

So obviously he is now a contributing opinion writer for The New York Times, a contributing editor at The Atlantic, has an open invitation to op-ed pretty much anywhere he pleases and frequently drops by The Bulwark to christian up the joint.

This is from Tuesday, and as you read it, please note several themes.

You will notice that Democrats have disappeared entirely from their political universe.  "The Resistance" is now just the Never Trumpers and whoever they decide to let into their clubhouse.

You will hear them exerting the unquestioned authority to determine which Republicans shall be forgiven and "welcomed back".

You will hear that basically all the scumbag, Trump-loving Republicans who finally found a way to squeak out words of mild protest after Trump dines with a Holocaust-denying monster should be forgiven and "welcomed back" for, y'know, the good of the nation.

If you're asking yourself, "Welcomed back...where?  As what?" I would say those are very good questions. 

You will also hear them crowing about how they predicted all of this and they warned about this "four, five, six years ago", but noooo, these scumbag, Trump-loving Republicans refused to listen.

You will also hear them bitching about how they've "been out here taking the slings and arrows" from these same scumbag, Trump-loving Republicans.  

You will also hear them bellyaching that these late-arriving scumbag, Trump-loving Republicans now just want to show up, unrepentant, and have  the "fatted calf slain" and served to them.  

Are you weeping for their terrible suffering yet?

You will also hear them bellyaching even louder that these same late-arriving scumbag, Trump-loving Republicans don't even have the common decency to admit that they'd been wrong and the Never Trumper had been right.  

O tempora, o mores!

But, in the end, in the name of superchristian Conservative"grace" -- or what Dietrich Bonhoeffer described as "cheap grace; grace without confession repentance or atonement -- all of these late-arriving scumbag, Trump-loving Republicans should be welcomed back without bitterness or acrimony.  In fact, without changing their depraved ideology in any meaningful way.  

And if you're still asking yourself, "Welcomed back these late-arriving scumbag, Trump-loving Republicans...where?  To what? As what?" I'd repeat that those are very good questions.  And the very next time I'm invited to share my views with Bulwark listeners, I'll ask those questions.  

Peter Wehner:  ... the other thing that is required [in order for Republicans to prove their party loyalty] ... is not to admit the critics of Trump [like Peter Wehner and Charlie Sykes] over the last six years were right in any respect.  They can't bring themselves to say that.   
driftglass:  Cry me a fucking river, Pete.

Charlie Sykes:  And I want to come back to that.  The [Bill] Barr position makes no sense morally, but of course it's completely consistent with what Republican leaders have done over the last five or six years, which is that no matter what he has done, they will ultimately support his return to power.

Sykes:  ...and I think this is the dilemma the Republicans have.  Even if you have the donors, the political operatives, even former White House staff members, even the Murdoch empire, even if elected Republicans turn against him, as you point out in your piece in the Times, the break wouldn't come clean or easy... And you look at the numbers, and you still have about 40% of Republicans are Always Trumpers, right?  They will never abandon him.  You get about 50% who are Maybe Trumpers.  So I guess, Peter, the question is how does he go away? 

Wehner:  But look, their [Republican leadership] are responsible for [Trump].  They created him.  They supported him...

Sykes: You bought this ticket, they're taking the ride now.

Wehner:  They propagated his lies.  They allowed the base to get radicalized?

driftglass:  "They"?   "Allowed"?  "They allowed"?  Engineering a base of reprogrammable meatbags was the fucking plan all along. 

Wehner:  And then they thought, well, when the time comes, we'll just hit the "Off" switch.  Guess what?  There's no "Off" switch.

driftglass:  Again with the fucking "they".  No, it's assholes like you who did this.  You who built this monster machine.  However it is heartening to know that all these Never Trumpers who block me and pretend Liberals do not exist, also listen to my podcast, read my blog and feel so free to "borrow" from me whenever they need to.  From "The Doomsday Machine":

...For decades, while the establishment media masturbated itself blind in their Platonic Cave, the GOP has been worked diligently to create an unstoppable Gingrich/Limbaugh political Doomsday Machine.

A Doomsday Machine that could not be reasoned with or bargained with.

A Doomsday Machine with no "off" switch.

And they succeeded. 

Sykes: Republicans need to, if they're ever going to move past this, they're not just going to have to denounce Trump, they're going to have to go after that base.  They're going to have to go after this [white nationalist] Groyper army  just the way William F. Buckley...

driftglass:   Yadda yadda yadda.  I shall spare you the weepy Conservative nostalgia whitewashing of Buckley's career which goes on for several minutes.

Wehner:  Yeah, a lot of these people are, y'know, shocked! shocked! that Trump has gone in this direction -- these ugly and dark forces and passions have been unleashed -- and this was so predictable.

driftglass:  This is when I started laughing.  

Wehner:  You could see this coming...six years ago.

Wehner then recounts more of the Imaginary Good Old Days of the GOP when morality and republican virtues and civic values were all the rage.

Wehner:  All of us, to some degree, have gotten inured to this.  

Sykes:  And, again, this was predictable.  This was not something that just happened as a one-off.   I know you remember 2015 and 2016.

driftglass:  Guess what?  I remember 2015 and 2016 too!  And I remember 2014.  And 2013.  And 2011.  And 2009.  And 2008.  And 2005.   And 2001.  And 1998.  And 1994.  And... 

Sykes: You know, when I wrote my book...

driftglass:  You know, when I started my blog...

Sykes: I wrote a piece for the Weekly Standard...this has been building for years!

Sykes:  The other point that I think it's important to stress here is that, the modern Conservative movement, which I would trace back to Buckley and the National Review.  

driftglass:  I shall again spare you several more minutes of weepy Conservative nostalgia whitewashing of Buckley's career.

Sykes:  Again, every single thing here was done in the open.  None of this was a secret.  And so I guess this really tests their capacity for denial.  Which has been pretty amazing.  The degree to which they can engage in denialism.  I mean, how many years did Paul Ryan spend saying, "Well, I didn't read the Tweets.  I never read the Tweets."?

driftglass:  Wait for it...

Sykes:  And again, I don't know if you feel this way about it...

driftglass:  Wait for it...

Sykes:  ...I am prepared to lower the bar and open the gates a little bit.  That if you're willing to speak out now, let's not relitigate all of the failures in the past.  I...I think it's a good thing that they are speaking now.

driftglass: There we go!   

But wait!  There's more!

Sykes:  Although...

Wait for it...

Sykes:  ...for those of us who had taken the slings and arrows for seven years!  And been derided and sneered at by many of the anti-anti-Trumpers...

driftglass:  I can't.  I just can't.  I just hope your terrible privation was somewhat buffered by you and all of your colleagues being gifted various influential and profitable gigs all over the same Liberal media which you spent decades deriding and sneering at. 

Sykes: should we think about, y'know, all of those emphatic supporters, uh, of Donald Trump until that moment they decided, "Well, wait.  Maybe he's a loser?"  What should we think about these people?

driftglass:  I know what I think of these people, and I have a fairly good idea of what you think of those people.  But if your real project is to reconstitute the GOP as quickly as possible to exactly the same party that begat Trump  but without Trump, then you will have a very different answer to that question.  

Wehner: Yeah, it's a really intriguing question.  I agree with you.  If people are willing to take an exit ramp from the Trump highway then they should do it.  And we should celebrate that they're doing it.  We should be glad that they're doing it.  Because it's just the essential first step that's required to get the country back on course.  Get the Republican party back on course.  To get the Conservatism back on course.  If all of those things are, in fact, rectified and straightened out.  So that's important to do.  

driftglass:  But didn't you just say that the problem isn't the leadership?  The problem is the fucked up, racist base?  So what's the Big Plan for rectifying and straightening out the fucked up, racist base?   

Wehner: I do think, at the same time, it's important and fair to critique where those people have been and what's motivating them now...  And it also means that there isn't a lot of credit due to them  for getting off at this exit.  It's not as if they've had a revelation of any kind.  Any contemplation, self-reflection.  A sense that they had missed something important.  

driftglass:  Something the Left has been right about the Right all along?

Wehner: And then there's just sort of basic, I don't know...maybe this is some degree of good graces.  Which is, uh, if you've been attacking people who, for five, six, seven years for making essentially the same critique you're making now, to try and explain what they missed about it.  What do you see now that you didn't see before, because, as we've talked about, none of this is surprising about Donald Trump.  There was almost an inevitability to it going here.

driftglass:  Cool.  Cool.  But again, what about attacking Liberals who, for decades, have been making essentially the same critique you're making now?  What about those people?

Wehner: And it would be helpful and impressive for some of the Never Never Trumpers who are now...uh...welcome to the Resistance, to reflect on... on that.  I think it's hard for them for two reasons. 

driftglass:  Attend closely kids.  Peter Wehner gonna explain stuff.

Wehner:  One is, it's not easy for any of us to admit that we were wrong. So I think there is this... tendency ... to just skip over that part of the process.  Just to say, "We were with him, but he's changed, and he's a loser.  Now we're against him."  So they don't want to admit they were wrong on any deep or fundamental sense -- that they missed something important, or that they were morally blind.  

driftglass: I'm still laughing.  Harder now.  Hard enough to be in danger of sharting out the Tater Tots I had for lunch in the high school in 1978.

Wehner:  The other thing is -- I think this is even harder than admitting that they were wrong -- is to admit that the people they had been attacking for the last four or five, six years were right.  I think that's even psychologically more difficult.  

driftglass:  Here come the Tater Tots!  

Wehner:  Because there was so much energy, so much antipathy, um... uh... that's...that's been, uh, um, aimed at critics of Trump.  And those sensibilities had...have been shaved [?].  And now, well, say, look maybe... maybe there was a point... maybe those critics saw things that... that we didn't, is probably asking too much of... of them.

driftglass:  Based on all the stumbling, stuttering and hedging, I'd guess that both of these men just realized they'd wandered into a minefield in which every accusation they've thrown at these nouvelle Never Trumpers is also a confession of how shabbily and viciously they've treated all those Liberals who were right about the Right all along.  

Sykes: Well...well, and as a Never Trumper from before there was a Never Trumper... a Never Trump, I... I do find myself thinking about...

driftglass: All the abuse and scorn you heaped on Liberals for decades?  Liberals who tried to warn you that, if you kept feeding red meat to bigots and imbeciles, your party would end up exactly where it is now?  Is that what you find yourself thinking about, Charlie Sykes?

Sykes: I do find myself thinking about...the prodigal son story.  We've been out here taking the slings and arrows, and then these guys, uh, just sort of show up and everything and they want the fatted calf.  But, their are going to have to be strange alliances, and we're going to have to, uh, um, welcome back people that we've been alienated from...

driftglass:  The "we" he's referring to ain't you and me kids.  You and me are yesterday's allies-of-convenience.  The "we" he's talking about is himself and his fellow Never Trumpers.  And the "people that we've been alienated from" ain't you and me either.  It's Mike Pence and Christ Christie and Bill Barr and   It's the trolls at the National Review and Fox News.  

Sykes: ...that we've been alienated from...I think, to get... to get through all of this.  And I say this as somebody... 
driftglass: As somebody who still shits all over the Liberals who were right all along?   As somebody who blocks anyone who brings up the fact that Liberals were right all along?  Is that what you were going to say, Charlie Sykes?

Sykes:  And I say this as somebody that until about a year ago, here in my basement study, had a picture on the wall -- I'm embarrassed to even tell the story -- picture of me with Ted Cruz.  Right before the 2016 Wisconsin primary, saying "I will do anything I can to beat Donald Trump." And of that meant supporting Ted Cruz -- which, by the way, is a choice that does not age well.  I do not feel better over time.  

driftglass:  But I guess were all just gonna have to put up with it because, y'know, Stalin.

Sykes: But, it, y'know, ah, um, I'm sure there were a lot of people who felt that way about Joseph Stalin in World War II.  OK, I went there. But there's going to have to be those moments where we're going to have to make that...that common cause.  And it's not going to be easy for anybody.  

driftglass:  Do it for the children!  Do it for Murrican!

Wehner:  I think it's important to do.  It's important for the good of the country, and the good of this "movement" that we care about.  

driftglass:  What fucking "movement" are you talking about? 

Wehner:  And so it's good in every respect, to be able to welcome people back.

driftglass:  And of course, do it for Jesus!

Wehner:  And beyond that, there's this point about grace.  Reconciliation. We've all failed.  Made misjudgements.  I certainly have, um, too, and... you... um... you don't want those things to... uh... uh... y'know, be a millstone around your neck... um... all the time.  ...  So I think it's completely fair and legit to have those conversations and to say to the people who are now "joining the resistance" to... to reflect.  It doesn't have to be said with bitterness or acrimony.   Doesn't have to be said in a way that says, "We never want you", or, y'know, that you're irredeemable, or anything like that.  That I'm a person of Christian faith, you are as well, and grace is a central concept...

Then comes the saccharine, whitewashing eulogizing of Michael Gerson as a "voice of conscience".

Which I will also spare you.   

Because "mercy" is also a virtue.

Thursday, December 01, 2022

Professional Left Podcast #677

"Never again is what you swore the time before.”
 Depeche Mode
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Tuesday, November 29, 2022

No Fair Remembering Stuff Podcast: David Brooks, Final Chapter (Or Is It?)


"How many progressive priorities are Democrats giving up just so they can have their way on abortion?" 
-- David Brooks, February 1, 2018
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Friday, November 25, 2022

Thursday, November 24, 2022

Professional Left Podcast #677

Fuck the Fucking Yankees!”  -- Steve Gilliard
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Plus, today only, for our fellow veterans of Thee Olde Days, the late Steve Gilliard's very own receipt for Beer-Can Turkey.

Enjoy, bon appetit and Fuck the Fucking Yankees!

There are a hundred debates about what makes a great Turkey, brining, frying, injecting. 
Well, this is the place to debate the great turkey issues of the day. 

Last  year, I prepared a Classic Roast Turkey. This year I wanted to provide  another variation on turkey and had decided on smoking the turkey. When I  received my September 2005 issue of Cook's Country Magazine and found  an article featuring Beer-Can Chicken, I decided to modify that recipe  to work for a turkey.

The use of a beer can inserted into a  chicken is an old barbeque trick to provide flavored steam to the inside  of the chicken as it cooks. At the same time, the beer supposedly adds  flavor to the chicken. Problem is, I don't quite buy it. If the beer is  giving off steam, then most of that steam is just going to be water...  most of the beer flavor will just be concentrating in the can. However,  it seems that it would be sacrilegious if I used the beer can but left  out the beer.

The first step is to brine the turkey. Find a  non-reactive (polycarbonate plastic, glass, or stainless steel)  container large enough to hold the turkey. Prepare a brining solution of  1 cup table salt to 1 gallon water and soak the turkey in the solution  in the refrigerator for four to six hours. (If your turkey has been  infused with a solution, then reduce the salt content in your brine or  just soak it in a container filled with plain water.)

Pour  out the brining solution and rinse the turkey. One convenient way to do  this is to position a rack in the sink and place the turkey on the rack  to rinse. After the turkey has been rinsed, let it dry by placing it on a  rack on a sheet pan in the refrigerator overnight (or for eight hours).  Alternatively, use a blow drier on cool setting (no heat) to blow over  the skin of the turkey until dry.

In order to prepare beer  can turkey, a beer can is necessary. However, a normal 12-oz. beer can,  perfect for a chicken, is a bit too small for the large cavity of a  turkey. At my local convenience store, I found this 24 oz. micro-keg  shaped can of Heineken. It looked to be about the right size, so I  bought it.

After pouring the beer into another container (a  large measuring cup), remove the top of the can. I used an OXO Good  Grips can opener to cleanly remove the top (it took only one pass).  Removing the top provides enough surface area from which the steam can  rise. The small opening made by the pop top just isn't enough of an  opening to effectively provide moisture to the turkey.

Deposit  six bay leaves (broken up) and two teaspoons dried thyme into the can.  Unlike the beer, the herbs will provide noticeable flavor and aroma  while the steam helps keep the turkey moist during it's long cooking  process.

Soak a cup of hickory wood chips in some water.

Prepare  a spice rub by combining two tablespoons brown sugar, two tablespoons  paprika, one tablespoon kosher salt, one tablespoon black pepper, and  one teaspoon cayenne pepper. Mix the spice rub well.

Rub the  spice rub over the entire exterior of the turkey. Loosen the skin over  the breasts and thighs and rub the spices under the skin. Finally, rub  the remaining spice rub inside the cavity of the turkey.

Pour  half the beer back into the open beer can (reserving half for your  drinking pleasure). Not pouring all the beer back reduces the risk of  spilling as you transport the turkey to and from the grill. Lift the  turkey up and lower it onto the beer can.

Place the turkey on  the grill. If using a gas grill, position the turkey over one burner,  away from the other burners. Turn the burner under the turkey off and  turn the other burners on low. If using a charcoal grill, start the  charcoals (you'll need a couple batches of about 100 briquettes each  over the course of the smoking). When they're ready, push them to the  outer edges of the grill leaving the center available for the turkey.  Make a container with aluminum foil (or use a metal wood chip tray) and  fill it with the wood chips that were soaking in water. Place the  container over the other burner or on the hot coals. My grill was not  large enough to cover the turkey without the lid touching it, so I  placed a V rack in the middle to prop up the lid. I also inserted a  Polder Cooking Thermometer into a thigh to track the temperature of the  turkey.

Close the lid of the grill. If the turkey is too tall  for your grill lid, find a way to prop open the lid just enough (so the  lid is mostly closed, but not touching the bird). Then use heavy duty  aluminum foil to cover the gap that's left. The aluminum foil lets out a  lot of heat, but will help keep the smoke in long enough to flavor the  turkey.

The actual cooking of the turkey is a bit finicky and  has a lot to do with your grill and how much cooling air is getting  into the grill from the slightly open lid. If you didn't need to prop  open the lid of your gas grill, keep the burners on low. However, if you  did need to prop open the lid, you might need to turn up the heat to  compensate for the heat loss? Don't turn on the burner underneath the  turkey - we want to cook it with indirect heat. If using charcoal, after  the first one and a half to two hours, you'll need to start a new batch  of charcoal and replace the original coals as they lose heat.

Halfway through the cooking, about two hours, rotate the turkey to allow even cooking.

When  the thigh meat reaches 160°F (71°C) (about 4-1/2 hours in my example),  prepare a simple glaze with two tablespoons brown sugar, two tablespoons  ketchup, two tablespoons distilled white vinegar, two tablespoons beer,  and two teaspoons of hot sauce (I prefer Frank's RedHot Original Hot  Sauce). Brush the glaze onto the turkey and cover. After five minutes,  brush on another layer of glaze and allow it to cook until the thigh  meat registers 170°F (77°C). If you don't have a thermometer, at least  poke the turkey with a skewer to see if the juices run clear. If the  fluid that comes out contains traces of blood, continue to cook the  turkey

Tuesday, November 22, 2022

No Fair Remembering Stuff Podcast: David Brooks, Part 5

"Both right and left are dividing into upswinger and downswinger camps..." 
-- David Brooks, 2017
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Sunday, November 20, 2022

When Your New Allies Have Reservations About Their New Allies

I won't burden you by recapitulating six years' worth of reservations about our new, recently-former Republican overlords.  Suffice it to say, they have done pretty much everything I figured they would do.  

Largely declared "Off Limits" any discussion of their past prior to their conversion to Never Trumping?  Check.

Colonized the mainstream media?  Check.

Used their positions in the mainstream media to muscle Liberal voice out of the conversation?  Check.

Relentlessly insist that, unless the Democrats become GOP-lite, the republic is doomed?  Check.

Relentlessly advance the Both Sides Do It lie?  Check.

Oh, and that thing my Liberal supervisors kept telling me about, "Don't worry, once we get rid of Trump we'll give these guys their walking papers."?  


Nope.  Sorry.  It was game-over once my Liberal supervisors established that any recently-former Republican (or even a current Republican) saying that Trump was a shithead, was like unto the Letters of Transit in Casablanca:

A golden ticket.   A Get Out Of The Last 30 Years Free pass that cannot be rescinded, or even questioned.

Along the way I had many questions.   Questions like, "What about Glenn Beck?"  Was he an ally above reproached during the brief period when he was on his "I Haz Seeeeen The Light Tour!"?  Before he dropped that act and crawled right back up Trump's ass?  

What about Ann Coulter?  Was she on our team when she was saying mean things about him, but before she wrote her "In Trump We Trust" paean to Trump's awesomeness?  And now that she's back to saying mean things about Trump because he wasn't sufficiently brutal and bloodthirsty to immigrates, is she an ally again?

It was a little like being dubious of the purity and heroism of Glenn Greenwald in the days before he became Tucker Carlson's wacky "Lefty" sidekick on Carlson's White Power Hour.  My Liberal supervisors were not interested in my questions and observations and told me, more or less, to shut up and go sit in a corner.



What my Liberals supervisors did not know is that they had merely adopted the corner. I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see the not-corner area until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but hilarious.

However, I'm also not stupid.  I am quite aware that yet another rare moment during which the Left [which has been right about the Right all along]  might have been able to wrest some control of the public narrative about Trump and the GOP away from Beltway hacks has been lost.  That recently-former-Republican-branded media products like The Bulwark are now fully integrated into the MSNBC/CNN business and promotion model, while the Left has once again been told to suck hind tit.

Which is what makes this recent bulletin just arrived from our Never Trumper betters at The Bulwark so adorable.   

As you may know, in addition to using their positions in the mainstream media to muscle Liberal voices out of the conversation, our Never Trumper betters have used also used their media clout to set themselves up in the political indulgence business, in which they determine which conservatives will be allowed into the conversation.  Which conservatives have sufficiently redeemed themselves and which have not.  

Y'know, exactly same kind of filtering that mouthy, obstreperous Liberals like me proposed that we set up once the Never Trumpers got run out of their own party and began showing up at our door, asking to crash on our couch.  A proposal which was loudly outvoted by the "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" caucus.  

And now that the 2016 Never Trumpers have sent themselves up as purity-testing gatekeepers (oh, the fucking irony) they're getting a little sniffy and dubious of these Never-Trumper-come-lately arrivistes who are showing up at the same Plymouth Rock where the original Never Trumpers arrived just six years ago, claiming that they and they alone had discovered Murrica!

TIM MILLER:   You know Charlie, I know we're never going to get this, but I coulda used a "whoops" from Murdoch world.  Like a "Hey, we're not going to do this again", y'know?  To move from being a propagandist forum to trying to kill him, and everybody just kinda giving them credit for it?  I just...that's hard for me. 

driftglass:  Golly!  Tell me more Tim Miller!

MILLER:   It's hard.  I maintain some bitterness.  I know that's probably my darker angels, but I just  maintain some bitterness over it.  It's meaningful, but I maintain some bitterness.  

driftglass:  You poor, poor man.

CHARLIE SYKES (oozing sarcasm):  Well the good news, of course, is The National Review has now decided that it's going to stand athwart history and say "No, no!  This time we mean it!  We really mean it this time." 

MILLER:  Those guys are so weird.  They're all mad at me on Twitter for making fun of them  And I was like, "Just own it, guys!  Just own it!"  You've been 'Trump curious' for the... for the... ever since the Trump issue.  

driftglass:  For the record, Tim Miller is now clearly in violation of both the "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" rule and the No Fair Remembering Stuff rule.  As such, I look forward to seeing my Liberal supervisors using these Interwebs to publicly take him to task for these obvious infractions.  I'd scold him myself but,  the last time I broached this subject, well, y'know...

MILLER: Y'know, there've been times when [The National Review crew] said nice things.  Times when you said mean things. That's fine.  You call it [inaudible] termed it you're calling it "balls and strikes".  OK.  I said from the start I don't think he's on the field.  OK, I'm not calling balls and strikes on him.  Everything is a strike our for me.  You don't gotta hand it to any point.  You don't have to put on your cover "The Case for the Trump Presidency", like The National Review did.  

driftglass:  Again, just flagrantly violating the No Fair Remembering Stuff rule right and left.

MILLER:  So I just...I don't know why these are all so defensive about the reality.  But hey, if everybody wants to come over to Never Trump world right now, that's fine.  

driftglass:  It is absolutely not fine to welcome America's premier journal of White Supremacy into the fold.  But since the Left gave away its veto power...

MILLER:  The water's warm...I welcome them.  It would be nice -- the welcoming would be a little warmer -- if they just said, "You were right" before they came over.  

driftglass:  You're right, Tim Miller!  It sure as shit would be nice if the people who had been wrong all along -- professionally and profitably and catastrophically wrong all along -- could summon enough of the basic decency that we teach our kids in kindergarten to admit that they had been wrong, and those who had been right...were right.   

Once again, I would broach this subject with either Tim or Charlie, but, y'know...


MILLER:  I...the welcome would be with a hug.  But instead now, I'm gonna have to welcome them with a little bit of a cold shoulder and first, and then get a couple of drinks in me before they're allowed into the party, but that's fine.  

driftglass:  "before they're allowed into the party".  Heh.

MILLER:   Everybody's welcome.  

driftglass:  Attention Liberal Elite.  This is what happens when you give your power away.

MILLER:   I will say this though.  All these people were against him in 2016 too.   So I just... I also don't love...  I also don't love kind of the whole, "Oh, we're the power brokers here.  And oh, some of the big donors and Fox and the National Review..."  All you guys live in New York, alright, like.  None of you people were for Trump the first time.  So I think everybody should just hold their horses on discussing the Great Meaning of all this, though we welcome all converts.  Let's just...see...what the people want, OK?  And... when I first started hearing people that were, like, "Hey, I was... Sarah's gonna go do some focus groups."  You can listen to them on Bulwark+...

driftglass:   I don't have to.  I live in Trump country and have been paying close attention to the wide, clearly-marked, racist road to fascism down which Tim's recently-former party has been speeding since even before the days when "Mega-dittos Rush!" became wingnut hanky code for "Let's quit screwing around and get our white supremacist freak on now!"

MILLER: ... and if we listen to the first focus group and it's like, "Man, I was with Donald Trump in 2016.  I went to every rally.  I wore a red hat.  But I'm sick of him." that is going to intrigue me a lot more than Rich Lowry's ninth flip-flop on this guy, OK?  

Long ago some wag predicted what the shape of public political dialogue within the media would soon come to look like if then-present trends continued:

Might have gotten a few of the details wrong, but that wag stands by the gist of it.

Bonus extra fun and thanks to Charlie Pierce for pointing it out:

Burn The Lifeboats

Thursday, November 17, 2022

Professional Left Podcast #676

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