I'm just going to sit over here, way in the back, next to the blogosphere's kitchen door, doodling on the table cloth, while some guys at the blogosphere's head table punch each other in the dick.
Andrew Sullivan
What the public knows and does not know about the NSA is determined by @ggreenwald, with no checks and balances: http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/05/29/dissent-of-the-day-58/ …
- @sullydish @ggreenwald the check is the public and the balance is the government propaganda
- @sullydish @ggreenwald well the checks and balances in government already failed here. It's dialysis, gotta filter all of it now. Go Glen
- @sullydish @ggreenwald and who, you unregenerate, self-hating conserviative, do you think should provide the checks and balances? The NSA?
- @sullydish @ggreenwald So, you're claiming that other journalists reporting on the NSA are not doing due diligence? Every one of them?
- @sullydish That's false: 1) I collaborate w/editors & colleagues on every story; 2) WashPost, NYT, PP & Guardian all have much > 10,000 docs
- @ggreenwald @sullydish I hate when my parents fight
- @ggreenwald @sullydish How many documents do you have?
- @sullydish @ggreenwald this is an excellent post, Andrew. I fully agree
- @ggreenwald @sullydish So you're saying someone objective has veto power?
- @ggreenwald @sullydish What percentage is 10,000 of over 1 million? I'm not very good at math...
- @ggreenwald @sullydish Once again, Sullivan shows his typical ignorance. He really seems to enjoy basking in ignorance. Good for page hits.
- @ggreenwald @sullydish no checks or balances? so the readers/Public are what, sheep?
- @ggreenwald @sullydish The public is free to implement "better" checks. It prefers, mostly, to be afraid and trust (abusive) authority.
- @Wilson__Valdez @ggreenwald @sullydish Glenn claimed to possess a million docs? Or are you still shoveling?
- @Wilson__Valdez @Pick_Up @ggreenwald He's always said «tens of thousands», never a million. On the contrary he's said that's a ridiculous n°
- @anarschtroumpf @Pick_Up @ggreenwald Instead of saying everything is a ridiculous #, why doesn't he just say what the # is?
- @Wilson__Valdez @Pick_Up @ggreenwald Oh yeah, let's very subtly shift the discussion from “I said smth stupid” to “but WHAT ABOUT GG” %)
- @Wilson__Valdez @anarschtroumpf @ggreenwald maybe he enjoys watching people like you mimicry gov officials without evidence?
- .@sullydish @ggreenwald ....... Since when are there checks and balances on journalism? What does that even mean?
- @Wilson__Valdez @Pick_Up @ggreenwald I'm guessing that's because the **exact #** doesn't matter any more than Obama's birth certificate.
- @Wilson__Valdez @Pick_Up @ggreenwald Only those desperate to find some fault w/ him are obsessing over that. What's w/ this “exact #”??
- @anarschtroumpf @Pick_Up @ggreenwald The only # put out there has been the 1.7 mil figure...they keep saying 'no no no' but give no alt.
- @anarschtroumpf @Pick_Up @ggreenwald So if they are not willing to correct, I will safely go with >1 mil, you silly smurf
- @Wilson__Valdez @Pick_Up @ggreenwald “Tens of thousands” is a solid approximation if you want to weigh against “1.7 million”, that's enough.
- @Wilson__Valdez @Pick_Up @ggreenwald They even told you the 1.7 figure is *all that Snowden ever has accessed in his whole career*.
- @Wilson__Valdez @Pick_Up @ggreenwald “10s of thousands” is not precise enough… so you “will go w/ > a million”. … and I'm the silly one? :D
- @Wilson__Valdez @Pick_Up @ggreenwald No, officials repeatedly admitted they *still don't know* what he took. *After* that article.
- @anarschtroumpf @Pick_Up @ggreenwald Until people who have the docs give a straightforward answer, all we can do is go by whats speculated
- @Wilson__Valdez @Pick_Up @ggreenwald Yes, and you have 2 choices: go with *what GG has been saying*, who has the docs, or…
- @Wilson__Valdez @Pick_Up @ggreenwald … go with *what the officials have been saying*, who have been lying since Day1 on all other questions.
- @Wilson__Valdez @Pick_Up @ggreenwald Yet somehow you seem to find them more credible than him. Why is that? I'm genuinely curious.
- @anarschtroumpf @Pick_Up @ggreenwald Funny you see it that way, b/c I've found GG to have avoided answering any difficult q's from day one
- @anarschtroumpf @Pick_Up @ggreenwald What proof do you have that the officials have been lying from day 1?
- @Wilson__Valdez @Pick_Up @ggreenwald When has he *said smth* that *turned out false* is the question fitting this discussion.
- @Wilson__Valdez @Pick_Up @ggreenwald Oh, my… So you actually haven't been following the reporting that's been going on since June… Ö
- @Wilson__Valdez @Pick_Up @ggreenwald You're just jurking around, attacking when you think there is an opening… #UniteBlue, maybe? :D
- @Wilson__Valdez @Pick_Up @ggreenwald Anyway I have no interest in discussing the reporting w/ someone who isn't really interested in it, so…
- @Wilson__Valdez @Pick_Up @ggreenwald Have a good day, I'll “mute” you to avoid the tentation of answering whatever you say next, I'm weak.
- @anarschtroumpf @Pick_Up @ggreenwald Numerous examples of misleading, from situation w/ Miranda to NSA involv tapping into eu cntries
- .@Wilson__Valdez @anarschtroumpf @Pick_Up @ggreenwald Actually, even before day 1 of the leaks: #UniteBlue http://youtu.be/4v7YtTnon90
- @mcurryfelidae07 @anarschtroumpf @Pick_Up Ok, well now I'm convinced that everything they have said has been a lie, all hail the Greenwald
- @ggreenwald perhaps I am naive but I don't understand what anyone thinks you or Edward Snowden have to gain by lying at this point. (1 of 2)
- @ggreenwald Especially since you've everything to lose with lies. (2 of 2)
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6 comments:
For once I agree with Sullivan. The Tweet poop is hysterical.
I gave up reading Andrew awhile ago in order to protect my own health, so thanks for doing the Good Work in keeping us unworthies up to date, Driftglass.
One thing I'll say for Andrew though, he never backs down from an assault by the loonies. This should be interesting.
Oh, Goodie! This is better than Godzilla versus Mothra.
Ordinarily I avoid the twittertwat machine because the intellectual content is vanishingly small, but a bit of mental junk food now and again is no biggie.
Outta sight. Thanks.
Sully is right. Greenwald is allowed to hold on to what he views as the most sensational and damaging news from the Snowden files until a year after the original story broke.
He admits to orchestrating the entire story from beginning to end and likens it symbolically to a fireworks show. Journalist or showman?
GG gets to control the narrative with zero pushback outside of one or two medium grade questions without a follow up. Why? Because his story makes money.
GG will ooze it all out slowly, writing $book after $book, until long, long after nobody gives a shit. Like Woodward, only worse.
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