Tuesday, February 14, 2012

From the Annals of Useless Polling:

From "The Atlantic":
Even with the president’s approval rating showing signs of life and the Republicans busily bashing themselves over the head — “one is a practicing polygamist and he’s not even the Mormon,” retired Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor recently quipped about her party’s two frontrunners — America continues to track right, according to polling data released by the Gallup Organization last week.  
Americans at this political moment are significantly more likely to identify as conservative than as liberal: conservatives outnumber liberals by nearly two to one. Forty percent identify as conservative, 36 percent as moderate, and 21 percent liberal.
Define "conservative" -- using a Reagan wig and pair of Confederate flag clown pants big enough to fit everyone from David Frum and David Brooks to Rush Limbaugh, Tom Tancredo and Jefferson Davis -- and then get back to me.  Because when it comes to the actual history of Conservatism in America -- issue by issue, ideological pillar by ideological pillar -- the Movement and the Party both stand in the shadow of one of the longest, most ruinous and most publicly humiliating series of failures, reversals and repudiations in American history.

From Salon:
The right’s lost causes

From the culture war to foreign policy, conservatives have been defeated on every front

American conservatives are deranged by anger — and why shouldn’t they be? For decades, they have been losing on multiple fronts. From the culture war to the welfare state to foreign policy, conservative initiatives have been rejected by the American people and repudiated by public policy. At most they have won a few battles while losing the war.

Consider what Pat Buchanan and other social conservatives called “the culture war” in the 1980s (after Bismarck’s Kulturkampf against the Catholic Church in 19th-century Imperial Germany). Even with a conservative majority on the Supreme Court, Roe v. Wade is in no danger of being overruled. The most that conservatives can do is back state-level initiatives like forcing pregnant women to view sonograms of fetuses — initiatives that are soon slapped down by the federal courts.

Gay rights? Since the 1970s and 1980s, when Miss America winner Anita Bryant led a nationwide crusade against gays and lesbians, public attitudes and public policies have been revolutionized. ...
... 
Even as they have witnessed the collapse of their efforts to roll back the liberalization of laws governing sex and censorship, American conservatives have met defeat in their efforts to dismantle the middle-class welfare state created by Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal and Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society. ...

To make matters worse, from a conservative perspective, the lawmakers whom the right elected to shrink the welfare state have steadily expanded it. Republicans as well as conservatives supported the expansion of the earned income tax credit, a subsidy to poor workers, and the child tax credit, a European-style childcare subsidy championed by Newt Gingrich, among others.
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In foreign policy, the neoconservative right appeared for a time to have prevailed. Beginning with the Clinton administration’s war in Kosovo, many neoliberal Democrats joined Republican hawks in celebrating global U.S. military hegemony and “liberal interventionism.” But the Bush administration overreached after 9/11 when it invaded Iraq shortly after it invaded Afghanistan. The costs of those two debacles quickly soured the public on “the war on terror.”
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This is not to say that conservatives have not won some lesser victories in the last generation. But in most cases they did so only because centrist and liberal Democrats themselves were divided on the subject. ...

Don’t hold your breath waiting for liberals to admit that they are winning most of their battles... But the right isn’t going to repeal the great accomplishments of liberalism and remake America on the basis of sexual repression and censorship, free-market radicalism and American empire. Conservatives tried to do that and failed. No matter who wins this year, the right won’t get a second chance.
And yet, has 40 years of staggering from one pulverizing failure to another dented the Conservative's invincibly Dunning-Krugerian sense of their own brilliance and superiority?

Not in the slightest.

In fact you could say that the single defining characteristic that binds all Conservatives together -- the  Reagan wig and Confederate flag clown pants big enough fit both Andrew Sullivan and Sarah Palin -- is their truly otherworldly ability to implacably ignore objective reality when it conflicts with whatever silly-ass nonsense they are lying about this week.

Which leads us right back to the the only clear conclusion I can suss out of this data: a powerful correlation between people who strongly self-identify as "conservative" and people who are "pig-ignorant" and "fundamentalist".

A correlation with which I can take no issue.


9 comments:

chrome agnomen said...

any way you want to define conservative, those are depressing numbers. this country right now seems to be the very quintessence of moral and ethical delusion.

Anonymous said...

This isn't bad polling, its bad interpretation from a single piece of data without context. Even the most basic cross tab would show that party ID and ideological ID do not match up neatly (and never really have).

Sadly, polling is like writing: a lot of it gets churned out, most of it sucks, and a lot of people can't tell the difference between good and bad.

Anonymous said...

I would say away from suggesting O'Connor as some sort of 'moderate'. Yes, but compared to what? She was after all the judge who came up with the notion of 'under burden' which has since been used as a hammer to destroy womens choice.

Cirze said...

I understand that she also provided the vote in Gore vs Bush that gave us the last 12 years of mayhem.

Conservative.

heh

David in NYC said...

The "conservative/liberal" self-identification polling is, as politely as I can put it, bullshit.

It's also a function of the commonly-used value judgments of the words "conservative" and "liberal". Not surprisingly, the latter word has come to have some rather negative connotations, thanks to decades of right-wing and media hammering on it. (So, kudos to Professor Krugman for naming his blog "Conscience of a Liberal".)

If you poll people on the actual topics (abortion, gay rights, progressive taxation, etc.), you get much, much different results. Take a look at any topic polling here to see what I mean:

http://pollingreport.com/

As for the correlation between "conservative" and "pig-ignorant"... Well, let me dust off one of my favorite quotes of all time, from a very wise almost 150 years ago:

I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it. -- John Stuart Mill, March 1866

Anonymous said...

To David in NYC:

That is one of my favorite quotes! I've also seen "I am not saying that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I am saying that stupid people are generally Conservative." attributed to Voltaire.

Either way, it's usually true. Conservatism offers a simple encapsulated "thought" product. It offers an entire world view, along with who to fear and who to blame and who to worship. It's very appealing to those who find thinking difficult.

Mike.K.

Anonymous said...

What conservatives HAVE accomplished through 30 years of pretty much uninterrupted tax cuts is bankrupting the government responsible for perpetuating a number of these liberal victories, caring for the least of us in some rudimentary way among them. They knew perfectly well that bigotry, selfishness, and fear were good short sells but bad long ones, so they newspeaked them all into "tax cuts." To these eyes, the plan has worked nearly flawlessly. The government not quite bankrupt enough? Start a war! Better yet, start one that has the turgid goal of abolishing "terrorism." I think even the decidedly dim Georgie Shrub the younger knew that was roughly akin to spending trillions to eliminate "jealousy." Conservative issues don't sell? Who gives a shit...they win where it counts: courtesy of the lie factory and financial corrosion.

Sophie said...

Sarah Jaffe takes on Florida's gaslighting, and she is spot on.

"Why Right-Wingers (and Media Hacks) Are Totally Wrong About What Americans Believe -- We're Becoming Less, Not More, Conservative"
By Sarah Jaffe, AlterNet

http://www.alternet.org/story/154182/


Also see:
http://www.democracycorps.com/strategy/2012/02/new-phase-and-shifting-balance/

Anonymous said...

“one is a practicing polygamist and he’s not even the Mormon,” retired Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor

STFU bitch, we've not forgotten Bush v. Gore, and never will.