His bizarre remembrance of his childhood experience, reminds me of the government officials Kubric depicted in "A Clockwork Orange". One newly elected group, decides to make room for "political prisoners" by "re-conditioning" Alec into a conformist sheep as an example. The next "new broom", proceeds to de-condition him, as an example of how depraved the previous ruling party had been. Why do I think neither Kubric's dystopian vision of the future, or Sullivan's distorted view of his personal past bear any resemblance to reality? "When I was punished for being too bright, I realized I had to be a conservative"....please. Sounds like the persecution fantasies of a juvenile, that never grew up. Pity as an adult he is so well paid to inflict them on us all...
I can't see the video? or link, but I'm gathering that Sully says he was "punished for being too bright"? Like, punished all the way to Oxford on scholarship? Poor him. In any case, the post title is true: he perpetually sees himself as this bright boy student, eager for approval. Also true:
"But to harbor that resentment all these years? To haul it all the way across the Atlantic ocean and project it onto another country and culture -- a country and culture which you clearly did not and (do) not understand? And to get that transposition so dangerously, backwardly wrong?"
I find this to be immensely true- besides the double folly of seeing the US through both a UK and a Beltway set of lenses, he is astonishingly ignorant about huge swaths of American history, and he is staggeringly incurious about that history, and about the actual country he lives in and purports to pontificate on. (You could say this about his idol Hitchens too, perhaps to a lesser extent. And like Hitchens, Sully simply doesn't give a fuck about actual Americans, in the least.)
DC, Provincetown, visits to NYC.. other than that has Sullivan actually ever visited the rest of the country? A winter weekend in South Beach , Miami isn't enough to say you know the South, Andy. He really is profoundly ignorant and tone-deaf to the many regional cultures and histories that make up "America", the place he says he loves. But he's completely indifferent about it, in reality. Hell, he's indifferent to reality, so perhaps not such a surprise.
A nice daydream: for whatever reason, Sully being deported back to the UK. Where he wouldn't last ten seconds as a journalist or "deep thinker". There's a reason he came to the bountiful arms of the US, at home he'd be a laughingstock. Really, he's not held in high esteem there, if any esteem at all.
Keep up the great work Driftglass, your blog is a joy every day.
As a stinking limey myself, I want to take issue with what this little grudge-habouring pipsqueak is saying about the change in our education system in his youth.
The Labour Party did *not* close down schools for the gifted. What happened was that based on some very sound advice, they did away with what was a very arbitrary and unfair system - Allow me to explain.
Prior to the institution of comprehensive education, state secondary education was split into grammar schools and secondary modern schools, otherwise known as "selective" and "non-selective". I'm sure you can guess where this is going, but grammar schools were not specifically for those especially "gifted", but for a percentage of students who achieved a certain level of academic attainment. The problem was that the method of judging attainment was a compulsory exam known as the "11-plus" - nothing else was taken into consideration except this arbitrary point from which there was no appeal and no second chance.
Based on the very real chance that some children would struggle in primary education for many and varied reasons and nevertheless begin to do better later on, the Labour government drew up new plans for a "comprehensive" education system. This did away with the 11-plus and the distinction between grammar and secondary modern. Some grammar schools were horrified at this and took themselves private to avoid it, however most went along with the process.
Now at first glance, this might dovetail with Sullivan's "hard luck" story but for the fact that as well as merging the schools, a system known as "streaming" was to be implemented, which would mean that rather than taking results at an arbitrary point in time and deciding a child's future then and there, assessment would be continuous. Students who performed well would move up a stream and those that were struggling would move down, which meant that nothing was written in stone until the secondary exams in the final year of school education - all in all a fairer and more just system. Unfortunately the Tories regained power before it was fully implemented and while they couldn't reverse the process, they ended up re-instituting a two-tier system via the back door, meaning that comprehensives would effectively become the new secondary moderns and "assisted place" schemes would be set up to fund an even smaller number of high-achieving students from less privileged backgrounds to attend a private school. The irony was that it was none other than Margaret Thatcher, as then-Education Secretary, who oversaw the creation of more comprehensive schools than anyone - but it was a bastardised version of the system with little hope of progress once you were placed.
A few areas of the country rejected the comprehensive system - notably Kent, who retained selective schooling and the 11-plus. My family had moved out of Central London to the suburbs in the '60s so they were affected by that. My mum was considered one of the brightest in her primary school and expected to breeze the 11-plus, but she failed it - no appeal, no second chance. This despite the fact that her father had died suddenly, and heartbreakingly young, only a couple of months before she was due to take the exam.
I'd also like to point out that Sullivan's idea of a selective education nirvana was way off-base. I know for a fact that bullying was just as rife in grammar schools as it was in secondary moderns, comprehensives and yes - even private schools. I think Eton still turned a blind eye to the institution of "fagging" (where younger pupils were effectively used as indentured servants to the older ones) at the time the comprehensive system was being drafted.
I was one of the last to get an assisted place to a local independent school (which some say makes hypocrisy of my support of the comprehensive system as originally intended - but it had more to do with needing a fresh start than anything else), and I still carry a scar on my left arm from a craft-knife wielded by a (fee-paying) classmate. His punishment was suspension for two weeks and my family were "politely requested" to leave the matter there.
Have you noticed that the reich-wing perpetuation of Confederate standards has even reached the point of thinking that an increasingly non-industrial power like America should pick fights with industrial powerhouses like China? That worked out SO well for the Confederacy last time. Nice to know we plan to repeat the mistake on a much larger scale so that the damages can be more catastrophic and enduring.
Hi Driftglass, I've said this before in a private email to you and Blue Gal but I think it needs repeating.
As a half Limey, I am so, so sorry for Andrew Sullivan.
The only time I see him speak is on Bill Mahers show and its embarrassing that this guy acts as a representative of the UK. To americans who don't come across english people that often, he is certainly not the image of brits I would want people to see.
In a lame attempt at humour I would like to say that Hermain Cain had the right idea to electrify the mexican border fence. I would not stop there. Electrify the arrivals area at JFK airport to stop these numpty expats from getting in the country.
No one who lives outside this country has any idea of how racist it is, even if he or she labels us as such... and no one inside this country can be unaware of how that fear of others lurks deep in the American psyche, to be exploited by a Newt Gingrich or a Donald Trump or a John Bircher.
It's not "envy" that motivates them. It's "ambition."
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His bizarre remembrance of his childhood experience, reminds me of the government officials Kubric depicted in "A Clockwork Orange". One newly elected group, decides to make room for "political prisoners" by "re-conditioning" Alec into a conformist sheep as an example. The next "new broom", proceeds to de-condition him, as an example of how depraved the previous ruling party had been.
Why do I think neither Kubric's dystopian vision of the future, or Sullivan's distorted view of his personal past bear any resemblance to reality? "When I was punished for being too bright, I realized I had to be a conservative"....please.
Sounds like the persecution fantasies of a juvenile, that never grew up. Pity as an adult he is so well paid to inflict them on us all...
I can't see the video? or link, but I'm gathering that Sully says he was "punished for being too bright"? Like, punished all the way to Oxford on scholarship?
Poor him. In any case, the post title is true: he perpetually sees himself as this bright boy student, eager for approval. Also true:
"But to harbor that resentment all these years? To haul it all the way across the Atlantic ocean and project it onto another country and culture -- a country and culture which you clearly did not and (do) not understand? And to get that transposition so dangerously, backwardly wrong?"
I find this to be immensely true- besides the double folly of seeing the US through both a UK and a Beltway set of lenses, he is astonishingly ignorant about huge swaths of American history, and he is staggeringly incurious about that history, and about the actual country he lives in and purports to pontificate on. (You could say this about his idol Hitchens too, perhaps to a lesser extent. And like Hitchens, Sully simply doesn't give a fuck about actual Americans, in the least.)
DC, Provincetown, visits to NYC.. other than that has Sullivan actually ever visited the rest of the country? A winter weekend in South Beach , Miami isn't enough to say you know the South, Andy. He really is profoundly ignorant and tone-deaf to the many regional cultures and histories that make up "America", the place he says he loves. But he's completely indifferent about it, in reality. Hell, he's indifferent to reality, so perhaps not such a surprise.
A nice daydream: for whatever reason, Sully being deported back to the UK. Where he wouldn't last ten seconds as a journalist or "deep thinker". There's a reason he came to the bountiful arms of the US, at home he'd be a laughingstock. Really, he's not held in high esteem there, if any esteem at all.
Keep up the great work Driftglass, your blog is a joy every day.
i just found sullivan's old school transcripts. his history teacher is listed as an N Gingrich. that explain anything?
As a stinking limey myself, I want to take issue with what this little grudge-habouring pipsqueak is saying about the change in our education system in his youth.
The Labour Party did *not* close down schools for the gifted. What happened was that based on some very sound advice, they did away with what was a very arbitrary and unfair system - Allow me to explain.
Prior to the institution of comprehensive education, state secondary education was split into grammar schools and secondary modern schools, otherwise known as "selective" and "non-selective". I'm sure you can guess where this is going, but grammar schools were not specifically for those especially "gifted", but for a percentage of students who achieved a certain level of academic attainment. The problem was that the method of judging attainment was a compulsory exam known as the "11-plus" - nothing else was taken into consideration except this arbitrary point from which there was no appeal and no second chance.
Based on the very real chance that some children would struggle in primary education for many and varied reasons and nevertheless begin to do better later on, the Labour government drew up new plans for a "comprehensive" education system. This did away with the 11-plus and the distinction between grammar and secondary modern. Some grammar schools were horrified at this and took themselves private to avoid it, however most went along with the process.
Now at first glance, this might dovetail with Sullivan's "hard luck" story but for the fact that as well as merging the schools, a system known as "streaming" was to be implemented, which would mean that rather than taking results at an arbitrary point in time and deciding a child's future then and there, assessment would be continuous. Students who performed well would move up a stream and those that were struggling would move down, which meant that nothing was written in stone until the secondary exams in the final year of school education - all in all a fairer and more just system. Unfortunately the Tories regained power before it was fully implemented and while they couldn't reverse the process, they ended up re-instituting a two-tier system via the back door, meaning that comprehensives would effectively become the new secondary moderns and "assisted place" schemes would be set up to fund an even smaller number of high-achieving students from less privileged backgrounds to attend a private school. The irony was that it was none other than Margaret Thatcher, as then-Education Secretary, who oversaw the creation of more comprehensive schools than anyone - but it was a bastardised version of the system with little hope of progress once you were placed.
A few areas of the country rejected the comprehensive system - notably Kent, who retained selective schooling and the 11-plus. My family had moved out of Central London to the suburbs in the '60s so they were affected by that. My mum was considered one of the brightest in her primary school and expected to breeze the 11-plus, but she failed it - no appeal, no second chance. This despite the fact that her father had died suddenly, and heartbreakingly young, only a couple of months before she was due to take the exam.
When the whip comes down!!
In a just, parallel universe, Sullivan actually reads this stuff.
I'd also like to point out that Sullivan's idea of a selective education nirvana was way off-base. I know for a fact that bullying was just as rife in grammar schools as it was in secondary moderns, comprehensives and yes - even private schools. I think Eton still turned a blind eye to the institution of "fagging" (where younger pupils were effectively used as indentured servants to the older ones) at the time the comprehensive system was being drafted.
I was one of the last to get an assisted place to a local independent school (which some say makes hypocrisy of my support of the comprehensive system as originally intended - but it had more to do with needing a fresh start than anything else), and I still carry a scar on my left arm from a craft-knife wielded by a (fee-paying) classmate. His punishment was suspension for two weeks and my family were "politely requested" to leave the matter there.
What a sactimonious, self pitying little twat Andrew Sullivan is.
Have you noticed that the reich-wing perpetuation of Confederate standards has even reached the point of thinking that an increasingly non-industrial power like America should pick fights with industrial powerhouses like China? That worked out SO well for the Confederacy last time. Nice to know we plan to repeat the mistake on a much larger scale so that the damages can be more catastrophic and enduring.
Please don't call him a twat.
He'd be lucky.
He's just another artless pretender who moved overseas in search of a new (and hopefully ignorant) audience for his bitching.
And this comes in all genders.
Hi Driftglass, I've said this before in a private email to you and Blue Gal but I think it needs repeating.
As a half Limey, I am so, so sorry for Andrew Sullivan.
The only time I see him speak is on Bill Mahers show and its embarrassing that this guy acts as a representative of the UK. To americans who don't come across english people that often, he is certainly not the image of brits I would want people to see.
In a lame attempt at humour I would like to say that Hermain Cain had the right idea to electrify the mexican border fence. I would not stop there. Electrify the arrivals area at JFK airport to stop these numpty expats from getting in the country.
Too true, too true.
No one who lives outside this country has any idea of how racist it is, even if he or she labels us as such... and no one inside this country can be unaware of how that fear of others lurks deep in the American psyche, to be exploited by a Newt Gingrich or a Donald Trump or a John Bircher.
It's not "envy" that motivates them. It's "ambition."
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