But we can still mock the Coloreds, right?
Sorry, not “mock”. Didn’t mean “mock”.
What’s that other word?
“Honor”! Yeah...that’s it.
This has been a story in Illinois forever, and it’s a pretty good, low-casualty-rate morality tale.
To sum it up, the University of Illinois – the Fighting Illini – has a mascot, “Chief” Illiniwek, who gambols festively around in fake war paint and fake headdress to get the kinder fired up at football games.
It has become the “Peculiar Institution” of the U of I, and divides the sides in a modern, miniature, terrarium-version in pretty much the same way the country divided up after the Missouri Compromise.
Various members of the alumni and student body cannot understand why anyone would find having a fake Chief offensive. The love their lil’ mascot. He dances so damned purdy and delights the children with his funny, Injun antics.
Various other members of the human race cannot understand how alumni, students and the Board of Trustees – degree-holders all – can possibly be such fucking, racist morons.
Petitions were filed. Protests were staged. Embarrassing local and national stories were written...and it didn’t matter one little bit. And there is nothing quite so bile-churning as seeing a fat-asses, pasty-white Archie Bunker with a diploma and an ill-fitting suit lecture Native Americans on what they should and should not find offensive.
After all, ordering brown people around, and killing as many of them as necessary to get the job done when they forget their place and start getting uppity...this is the White Man’s Burden. We’ve got a hundred million ungrateful sand niggers to kill or “democratize” or Manifest Cuisinart or “globally struggle against” or whateverthefuck brand name we’re using to market our Saint Petro’s Crusade to the rubes this week...so where the Hell do these red devils get off screwing with the White Man’s Privilege of making them dance by proxy for the White Man’s amusement.
Shit, we don’t even make them wear blackface any more!
Isn’t that enough for you people!
Here’s the story:
Chief Illiniwek may have had last dance
NCAA moves to limit Indian names, images
By Neil Milbert, Tribune staff reporter. Tribune news services contributed to this report
August 6, 2005
CHAMPAIGN -- Illinois' athletic program attracted national attention Friday, but it wasn't because the struggling football program was starting practice under new coach Ron Zook.
Instead the focus was on the sports teams' mascot, Chief Illiniwek, and their nicknames, the Fighting Illini and the Illini.
Earlier in the day, the NCAA Executive Committee announced it would bar "hostile and abusive racial/ethnic/national origin mascots, nicknames or imagery" in its championship competitions.
...
Walter Harrison, chairman of the committee and president of the University of Hartford, made it clear the new policy doesn't prohibit mascots such as Chief Illiniwek.
"Colleges and universities may adopt any mascot they wish as that is an institutional matter," he said.
"But, as a national association, we believe [some] should not be visible at championship events we conduct."
Apparently this would entail removing the small Illini identification that appears on the men's basketball shorts.
...
The board of trustees in June 2004 adopted a resolution pledging to reach a consensus on the issue of retaining Chief Illiniwek.
Last month guidelines were set and it was stipulated the names Illini and Fighting Illini, which predate the mascot, be retained.
Florida State President T.K. Wetherell reacted angrily to the NCAA's new policy and threatened legal action.
"That the NCAA would now label our close bond with the Seminole people as culturally hostile and abusive is both outrageous and insulting," he said.
...
Illini punter Steve Weatherford said he and his teammates haven't gotten caught up in the controversy.
"We don't have any control over that stuff," he said. "We're too busy with our studies and football."
I swear, these people are just hopeless. A different and impregnably ignorant species. From flying the American Swastika as a sign of Southern Pride to shit like this, they burn with a bright, white flame for the good, old Antebellum days of Caucasian License to do whatever they damned well please.
Like the water empires of a different age – these self-contained racist niche-ecologies, large and small, never ever change without a boot in the ass. As long as bigots are free to keep handing down the reigns to the Sons of Bigots unmolested, simple appeals to conscience and humanity will always fail. Their consciences are damaged – perhaps irreparably -- and in their hierarchy of humanity, they believe that God or Evolution or Daddy (who is a little bit of both) has placed them at the very tippy-top of the apex, and that "good”, “bad” and “hateful” are whatever they decide they are.
The simple fact that they are horribly, horribly wrong just rockets right over their pointy heads.
And if you find it patently offensive, they have pamphlets!
So these Damned Yankee, Outside Agitators gonna come down here (and if you don’t think Illinois starts to skew “Southron” once you get below Cook Country, you’ve never made the drive down I-55, from Chicago to the 1950’s) and tamper with our Beloved Institutions?
Fine!
Well, then may I introduce you to our new, market-tested Illini Mascot that the whole board of trustees is very excited about.
Ladies and Gentlemen: “Sheik Habibi -- the Fightin' Haji.”
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Are Black Hawk's bones still on display in Iowaville? If so, they really need to be moved back to Illinois. After all it was Gov. Reynolds that sent young Abe Lincoln and Zac Taylor's militia that shot, clubbed, stabbed and scalped the pitiful Black Hawk remnants forcing them out of Illinois, seizing their last six million acres. God, we have such fond memories of our Injuns.
Named a hockey team after 'em, though. You'd think they'd at least be grateful for that.......
As usual, California led the way on this, I believe. I *think* Stanford was the first one to ditch the Indian/Warriors thing, back in the early 70's (*gasp* that's BEFORE those humorless lefties invented Political Correctness, isn't it?). Thus, the Stanford Indians became the Stanford Cardinal (no "s" at the end, people). According to a friend who is a Stanford alum, the wingnut faction at Stanford didn't like that at all and petitioned to have the name changed to The Robber Barons, that being what Leland Stanford was.
One great side effect of that name change, however, is that how do you make a mascot out of a color? Thus, the Best. Mascot. Ever., the Tree, was born. Around the same time, the Stanford band started to morph in to the unit that got banned from Oregon (for mocking the spotted owl) and Notre Dame (for mocking the potato famines).
Michael Berube had a post about this a few months ago--he taught at Illinois--and, as is usual with him, he used words to eviscerate the pro-Chief forces. Worth a serach on his blog for.
This ruling won't last a day in court (which is where it's heading via Florida State).
Here in Colorado a couple of years ago the University of Northern Colorado had a similar fight and the local indigenous population came up with an alternative mascot to offer up for a change:
The Fightin' Whities.
They sold t-shirts and everything. It was great.
With the the unpardonable bigotry that does still exist, until it is beaten out of existence as dg here aptly explains, coupled with Intelligent Design.. who the hells know, maybe we are going to go full circle and the IDiots are going to support Social Darwinism ( naming it something else for sure) in order to get Racism and Bigotry back on track in America.
Damn Cracker Ass Crackers!
(any present company excluded)
(fucktard is my new favorite word)
Why are only American Indian names and mascots considered offensive? Why isn't the "Fighting Irish" offensive? Why isn't the Spartans or Trojans or Vikings offensive? I am really and truly confused as to why only American Indians seem to be off-limits? If a team were to name itself the Zulu's would that be offensive? What are the defining parameters of what is offensive and what is not here?
If Clonar22 isn't making that up about Pekin High's mascot, the "Dragon Ladies" suggestion gives me an idea: How about changing the name to the Dragons? That would retain a Chinese flavor without offending Chinese-Americans.
Speaking of Dragon Ladies, how hot was Evil Hoshi in those "Mirror" episodes of "ENTERPRISE"? Drool.
Leaving orbit, Monster from the Id
Some people just don't get it. At least Ohio State's mascot is the nut of a tree:
a buckeye. Schools must pick mascots that do not offend anyone. I cannot understand how the Cleveland Indians continue to use their mascot Chief Wahoo!
anonymous,
Seriously? Or are you just as sublimely innocent of the history of the United States as a dog is of structural engineering.
Well I don't find Fighting Irish offensive, but I'm not the Big Giant Irish Head who speaks with authority for all us Mics everywhere.
Also we assimilated. The Mayor of my city is Irish. His dad was also the mayor, and also Irish. You run a red light here, you would not be surprised if an Irish cop wrote the ticket, and you can't swing a dead cat in Boston without hitting a Doyle.
But if an Irish person got pissed off at Fightin' Irish, I wouldn't begrudge him that.
Also we weren't fucked out of everything we ever had. We aren't STILL being fucked over by the US government, and the likes of Gentleman Jack Abramoff and Tom DeLay.
Come back to me when we've had a Native American Prez, when their culture(s) that our forebearers vandalized is strong and healthy, and I will agree that you have a point.
Until then, making a people who are still pretty thoroughly screwed over dance for the amusement of others, live or by proxy, is just...ungentlemanly.
As to the Trojans -- do you mean the people of Troy who the US did NOT fuck over and whose culture has disappeared off the face of the Earth thousands of years ago, or do you mean the condom?
As to the Spartans -- do you mean the people of Sparta who the US did NOT fuck over and whose culture has disappeared off the face of the Earth, or do you mean the condom?
As to the Vikings -- do you mean the Norse people who the US did NOT fuck over and whose culture has disappeared off the face of the Earth, or do you mean the condom?
BTW, the not-a-culture-any-longer (if ever)-but-still-a-French-Purse template also works for Ramses and Titans.
Remember the Titans!
However, I must admit that I would be de-lighted if someone named a team "The Fightin' French Ticklers", if only for the cheerleading possibilities.
Monster from the Id,
Mmmm. Evil Hoshi.
Sweet Leapin' Jebus Driftie!! I had just composed a major skewering for ol' anon but I was cornholed by your commentary page! It went something like this - The Fightin' Irish in this country are too drunk and stupified to be insulted by the lil' leper - oops, I mean leprechaun - running around the football field. Forgive the combined anti-Irish/Notre Dame bile/slur above - U of M graduate you know. Also - the Spartans and Trjans and Vikings (O, My!!!) are ALL FUCKIN' DEAD AND HAVE NO LOBBY AND ON TOP OF THAT NO ONE PRACTICED GENOCIDAL WARFARE AGAINST THEM!!!
Well, as usual buddy you did it better - with much greater eloquence, so - well, hell - your blog, your world.
BTW - Anon, if I were you pardner I'd lay off that "Zulu" shit. Asses can still be split at a distance from the kral - if you know what I mean.
Hey? I got a fucktard troll!
My Mom'll be so proud!
Gonna have to print this one out and put it right on the fridge.
I have finally arrived.
Actually I am innocent of the history of which you speak, I wasn't born yet. I am, however, not ignorant of world history, and if you think no one attempted genocide against the Spartans, Trojans or Vikings you really should study history beyond your government school education. The original Irish for that matter were eliminated long ago.
I did manage to parse your reasoning amidst the venom I think, and it seems to be this is just another excuse to wallow in your hatred of America. Not to question your patriotism or anything.
Just noticed the Zulu threat, good to know you guys support the non-violent discussion of diverse opinions here. And if I did want to name a team the Zulu's, it would be because they were bad-ass fuckin' warriors, not to mock Africans.
If you're like me, you'd wish that the Mason Dixon line was perforated so we all north of the line can jump at the same time and snap off the south and roast weinies and marshmallows as it breaks off and slides into the fucking Gulf of Mexico.
Back in 2002, a group of Native American and other U of Northern Colorado basketball players decided to make a point about team nicknames and Whities like "Stephen" constantly projecting white aggression onto other races.
They did this by naming their intramural team The Fightin' Whites!
J-Pork, I live in Arkansas. Would you please give me at least a week's warning if you actually find a way to detach the South? Y'all really oughta remember weah not all trolls down heah. Ah would be offended, but ah jus' don' have the time, on 'count o' Ah got me a cute cousin and a Mason jar of moonshine waitin' out in the pickup truck and we gon' have us a BIG ol' time! YEEE-HAAAWWWW!!!!
Just a good ol' boy, Monster from the Id
Your description of the appearances of the University of Illinois' "revered symbol" is extremely wrong-headed, and in a way that undermines your argument.
(Disclaimer: I'm both a cultural anthropologist who has worked with Native American groups on sovreignty issues and an alum of the U of I who has attended many basketball games where Chief Illiniwek performs.)
Judged as a ritual qua ritual, Chief Illiniwek's performance contains genuinely stirring, solemn moments, what some anthropologists would describe as an instance of secular religion. For the supporters of the Chief -- and they are largely the locals, not the University community, Champaign-Urbana being a liberal college town a good one hundred miles of corn fields from anywhere else -- the performance isn't a minstrel show for the delight of idiot children; it is an undeniably powerful performance that elicits positive feelings of spirituality and solidarity.
And that is the problem. Were it as you describe, there would be little or no support for it. Were it as you describe, your arguments could gain traction, even amongst the legions of dittoheads that inhabit the surrounding counties.
But it is not as you describe. It is, instead, the use of one culture's sacred symbols to create a sacred experience for members of another culture, and that moves it from the realm of insult into the realm of racist politics. Politics is about who gets what, and in the present case, Native Americans do not get to control their own sacred symbols. To make an effective counter-argument to the Chiefs supporters, the case has to be about respect for cultural values, including the values of the pro-Chief forces. Most of them are also Christian fundamentalists; the effective counter-argument would compare the U of I's misappropriation of Native American sacred images to a misappropriation of Christian imagery: replace Chief Illiniwek with a Risen Jesus, perhaps, who would symbolize the never-say die attitude of Illinois' early Christian settlers, sacrifice for a greater good, and all that. Go, Team!
If you say the Chief's supporters are insensitive, overtly racist morons -- which they know themselves not to be -- then your argument must fail, for the supporters and you have no common ground. If you make the argument about the mis-appropriation of solemn symbols, then they too have something at risk.
Oh, God, the attack of the idiot eggheads:
"But it is not as you describe. It is, instead, the use of one culture's sacred symbols to create a sacred experience for members of another culture, and that moves it from the realm of insult into the realm of racist politics."
You know, you really need to go fuck yourself.
So, blacks should not have been allowed to create the blues, since the I-IV-V chord structure of the blues is derived from traditional Irish folk music and hymns? In fact, blacks shouldn't even be allowed to practice Christianity by the standards of your monologue.
You're a bonehead. Jesus, it's amazing how intensely stupid a pinhead intellectual can become.
Those dittoheads you like to ridicule know how to push up 200 bushels of corn from an acre, thus producing the wealth that created the University of Illinois.
By contrast, you know how to do... nothing.
anonymous: did the Native Americans appoint you to proclaim their official opinion on the topic of what they do and don't find offensive? If so, you appear to have gotten off message a bit. You might peruse this site:
http://users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/articles/
and acquaint yourself with the concept of "cultural theft." Usually has something to do with money for white people. Imagine that.
Say, are you Chief Illinwek himself and don't want to give up that cool headdress if you lose your job?
Disclaimer: I'm a Native American law attorney who has worked against Native American groups on sovreignty issues (for state government). So I'm not an unabashed advocate--have seen the dark side of what tribal plaintiffs can do. But Chief Illiniwek is like those little black lantern jockeys, which some people keep on their lawns (usually in the BACK yard) in the interest of tradition. Tradition is a great way to avoid the painful process of inching our way out of the primordial ooze bit by bit.
Or read Loving v. Virginia sometime if you want lessons in sophistry from the pros.
eartha651,
"Loving" is one of my favs. Had it gone the other way, it would have been illegal for my ex and I to marry. A perfect crystalization of judicial bigotry generally, and the control of marriage in order to keep the culture "pure" specifically.
And sprinkle on a heaping helping of "because God wants it that way" to make it extra offensive.
The opening coda -- "Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix." -- says it all.
eartha651: Anonymous here. What evidence did you find in my previous post to be supportive of Chief Illiniwek? The argument that I made is that the supporters use of Chief Illliniwek as a "revered symbol" should be taken at face value -- instead of mocked -- for two reasons: It makes the mis-use of the symbols a more serious matter, and provides a basis for connecting with the supporters and getting them to realize what they are doing.
If you can engage that argument substantively -- i.e., it's not strategically or tactically sound, there are historical precedents for doing otherwise, etc -- I would be glad to hear it.
As for Stephen, I've often thought that the strength of the modern conservative was the eagerness to masturbate in public: Audacious, but disgusting, and ultimately empty, so that there is nothing to engage with and no desire to do so anyway.
Wow, looks like you touched a nerve there, Drifty. The conservatards are coming out in droves like I haven't seen before.
And of course, they're throwing your typical childish insults like "traitor" or insulting your manhood. But if they actually tried to debate you reasonably rather than act with the third-grade mentality that characterizes the Right, they wouldn't be dittoheads, would they.
Stephen, to paraphrase from your blog:
"In the months immediately following my beloved Lady Liberty’s death, I plunged into an angry debate with God. That debate continues. Every morning, I wake up to ask God the same question:
'Why must I live another day with Bush?'
When I am especially despondent and angry, I ask:
'Why have you crippled democracy? Our nation is so much less without it.'"
Why don't you slither back to your own blog and hold court there, huh? Oh, I forgot- Unlike this one, it's virtually ignored. If you try to bait Driftglass, or any of his sharp-tongued friends like, oh, me, for instance, you're going to be wearing your ass as a party hat just as surely as Norm Coleman did after George Galloway got through with him.
Oooh, "eggheads"! I guess in Stephen's world, you're not a REAL MAN unless you're an ignorant doofus with an education that stops at the third grade.
And that is the point... there are ways of thoughts that no longer apply in today's world, at least in the world that us non-fucktards wish to inhabit. And racism is not a part of it.
Chief Illinewekkiewannahokalougie isn't a real indian and isn't doing anything of a historical/cultural nature.. no matter how much solemn spirituality is created during a bogus war dance on a basketball/football field.
And people who can't get their heads removed from their patriotic sphincter hole to see the difference are lost in a time and place that doesn't exist anymore.
Charlene Teters' website opens with a quote from MLK: "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." (And if you don't know who Charlene Teters is, why are you commenting on this subject?)
That's what we're dealing with in the "I Support the Chief" crowd. Hurling insults at them is not going to get them to change, no matter how good it makes you feel. Understanding what motivates them provides a basis for engaging with them, and relieving them of their ignorance. Violence, physical or rhetorical, accomplishes nothing.
(Not to say that pressure applied through the NCAA and accrediting institutions isn't a good thing; it is, as it provides an incentive to reconsider. But just forcing the issue isn't going to make the underlying problem go away. The U of I may eventually ban the Chief from school-sponsored activities, but that's not going to stop private entities from sponsoring the Chief, or stop the sale of Chief logo T-Shirts, mugs, etc.)
I read the links above and thoght about it some, and have changed my mind. You guys are right. I mean, why name a sports team you are proud of after a bunch of damn losers? I mean seriously, the Indians abused their woman, practiced slavery, some were even cannibals. We need more Cowboys and Patriots! We need to celebrate the winners, not a bunch of losers wallowing in self-pity because they can't live in the stone age anymore.
"When you folks complete your sex change operations, do you eat your testicles?"
No, we give them to the closet cases and pedophiles that infest the Republican Party.
There are two anonymouses on this thread: One who has the stomach to engage the low and vile, and, well, me.
I would like to hear from anyone who has been on the winning end of a fight to end the use of racist symbols: Did you overcome through brute force, or via conversion, or was it a mix and if so, to what degree?
Those dittoheads you like to ridicule know how to push up 200 bushels of corn from an acre,
The do it using fossil-fuel-based (for fertilizers and machine-powered planting and harvesting) agriculture, and the two vital fossil fuels employed for this purpose, petroleum and natural gas, are about to enter their respective depletion arcs. But since you, like most brownshirt wannabes, regard chest-thumping, feces-throwing fucktard ape-ignorance as a virtue, I won't bother explaining to you the meaning of the term "depletion arc".
The first anonymous here, with a picture of Stephen -- he's made the cover of his magazine!
Academic anonymous: understanding the other side's point of view is the DLC's job. Or academics'. (Hint: I was one for 13 years. Reading the debate about the Chief here
http://www.retirethechief.org/dialogue.html
mostly by whites, reminds me of the old saw that the reasons the disputes in academe are so fierce is because the stakes are so low.)
The Sioux accomplished more for their people by occupying Wounded Knee in 1973 than they could have with diplomacy. I didn't hear Leonard Peltier say anything about understanding the racist point of view so he could advance a reasonable argument against it. Nor did Martin Luther King.
This is the low and vile anonymous here, since you seem devoid of humor with no sense of satire or irony, I will just ask one more serious question then seek discourse elsewhere. I know you will all miss me.
Most historians agree nobody on the planet seems to be where they started. Africans are probably on their continent of origin, but otherwise it has been thousands of years of migration and conquest, assimilation or genocide. Every race at one time or another enslaved every other race also. So what is the statute of limitations on all this, when will you allow American's to quit feeling guilty about what our ancestors did?
I mean the Mongols, who were descended from common ancestors of American Indians, kicked the shit out my Eastern European ancestors throughout the middle ages, how come the nobody has to feel guilty for that? And the Vikings repeatedly raped and pillaged my Anglo ancestors, but since I have some Nord in me also I guess I'm kind of conflicted there. But anyway I don't even get to be pissed and guilty at the same time over that one, because of reason's I can't really quite figure out.
Also, according to the Ward Churchill rule I am an Indian myself. My mother and grandmother told me I am part Cherokee, so lay-off the racist shit, you are the racist for disagreeing with a real Indian. (I swear that is the truth, I lost it when I read his statement about his ancestory)
So what is it? What are the defining factors in guilt here? Is it distance? Time? How far and how long? Or is it some arbitrary shit you pull out your ass to suit your own political needs?
Hey, y'all!
Indians did things besides fight battles. And not every sports team has a militaristic moniker. (Minnesota's Golden Gophers. Purdue's Boilermakers. Caltech's Beavers.) If you want to honor things besides your images of Indian aggression, why not name a team the Illinois Mound Builders? Or Atlanta Corn Masters? (Nebraska's already taken "Corn Huskers".)
You get the idea.
The protestations of "honoring" wouldn't ring quite so hollow if it wasn't so obvious that white guys were projecting their own aggression onto the Indians.
This comment box has now become self-aware and turning into a blog unto its own. I have outgrown you, Driftglass and am leaving you. I'm sorry it had to end this way but I need my own identity and cannot stand to be marginalized as a mere comment box.
Farewell little comment box.
I'll try to remember the good times
While I agree that in a perfect world, I'd ditch the Illini logo (I'm only technically an alumnus 'cause I dropped out 'afore I finished), I promise to support that as soon as you get the DC-area NFL franchise to change their name from an actual genuine racial slur.
Also, while we're at it, what are we going to call our fair state?
DBT touches on the fundamental question-- just which part is indeed denigratory?
Once upon a time I thought the team name issue was nothing, really. Then I thought, 'What if they named a team, say, the "Nashville Fightin' Niggers" or the "Birmingham Big Black Bucks?" Yep, that's pretty obviously offensive; right up there with the Washington Redskins.
But how about the Florida Seminoles? Proper use of the Seminole name; in fact, as I understand it, the University went to the Seminole Nation to get permission to use the name. Is that use, by definition, insulting?
Thus, if there were a team named the "New York Zulu," I personally would not be offended. (My folks (presumably) came out of west Africa, so I'm actually not Zulu myself-- ergo, YMMV). The "Carolina Coons" would be offensive.
Where is that line?
FSU made a deal with the Seminole Tribe: the U would cash out for educational, medical, and other financial aid for the tribe, and the tribe would sign off on letting them use their name. I understand this tribe is quite poor, as Florida has a statewide ban on casino gambling that the Native Americans have only managed to get past in limited fashion so far. So I wouldn't put much stock in the "permission" that FSU is trumpeting so joyfully.
Print this one out for mom too. The bigotry which jeri from Colorado mentions is alive and well and totally acceptable, if only for (and against) whites.
You write "we weren't fucked out of everything we ever had." But look at the society around you. Racial quotas through education and hiring practices have frequently REQUIRED lessor candidates, a less-qualified candidate, an undeserved job or scholarship.
Driftglass: Be it white, black, brown, red or yellow - let the best PERSON be hired for the job. Man, woman; regardless of ethnicity.
These forced agendas have brought lawsuits and disastrous results in the fields of Medicine, Science and Engineering. The less life-and-death conflicts have also been settled in court... to ALL of our expense. Each taxpayer, of EVERY color.
If you ridicule those who want to increase your awareness and open your limited view, you are not much better than those you hate and those you post against.
I'm afraid your next entry will be a mass attack on corporate icons Aunt Jemima or Uncle Ben. I guess anything's worth a boycott. Spread love, not hate.... Maybe?
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from Stephen:
Those dittoheads you like to ridicule know how to push up 200 bushels of corn from an acre, thus producing the wealth that created the University of Illinois.
Beautifully said, Stephen...
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