Thursday, June 23, 2005

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Then we’re not REALLY Nazi’s, right?

OK, then what are we?

And how deep into the moral Abyss do we have to plunge before someone on the Right will say, “This is wrong and this must stop.”?

Jesus, but it all unfolds like a bad, old play, doesn’t it? One where half us know the lines almost by heart and watch in dread as the curtain rises on one act bloodier and more shameful that the last. And we shout our throats raw in warning as it just gets worse and worse and worse.

And the other half of the crowd bewilderingly ignores the fact that they have been 100% wrong about every single plot twist up until now, but still insist that we STFU and sit down, because we don’t know what we’re talking about.

What am I talking about?

Well, hot on the heels of Dick Durbin’s puss-out over comments he never, in fact, made, about the fact that one may have troubling distinguishing certain behavior by US personnel as reported by the FBI from the behavior of Nazis, the irreplaceable Crooks and Liar brings us the story of the U.S. using medical personnel to make it's torture of prisoners more effective.

From the Toronto Star. (Yes, the one in CANADA.)

U.S. doctors linked to POW `torture'
Guantanamo medical records misused
Basis of interrogators' strategy: Report

TANYA TALAGA AND KAREN PALMER
STAFF REPORTERS

Medical records compiled by doctors caring for prisoners at the U.S. detention camp at Guantanamo Bay are being tapped to design more effective interrogation techniques, says an explosive new report.

Doctors, nurses and medics caring for the approximately 600 prisoners at the U.S. naval base in Cuba are required to provide health information to military and CIA interrogators, according to the report in the respected New England Journal of Medicine.

"Since late 2003, psychiatrists and psychologists (at Guantanamo) have been part of a strategy that employs extreme stress, combined with behaviour-shaping rewards, to extract actionable intelligence from resistant captives," it states.

Such tactics are considered torture by many authorities, the authors note.

Medical personnel belonging to the U.S. military's Southern Command have also been told to volunteer to interrogators information they believe may be valuable, the report adds.

The report was published ahead of schedule last night on the journal's website "because of current public interest in this topic," the journal says.

The report's authors — Dr. Gregg Bloche, a physician who is also a law professor at Georgetown University in Washington, and Jonathan Marks, a London lawyer who is currently a fellow in bioethics at Georgetown's law centre — say that while Guantanamo veterans are ordered not to discuss what goes on there, making it difficult to know how, exactly, military intelligence personnel have used medical information for interrogation, they've been able to assemble part of the picture.

They suggest that interrogators at the camp, set up in 2001 to detain prisoners captured in Afghanistan and later Iraq, have had access to prisoners' medical records since early 2003.

That contradicts Pentagon statements that there is a separation between intelligence-gathering and patient care.

William Winkenwerder, U.S. assistant secretary of defence for health affairs, said in a memo made public in May that Guantanamo prisoners' medical records are considered private — as are American citizens'.

However, "this claim, our inquiry has determined, is sharply at odds with orders given to military medical personnel and with actual practice at Guantanamo," the authors write.



"The American government needs to accept its responsibility to expose what is actually happening and show the world they are following standards that are acceptable in terms of international law," he said.

According to the authors, a previously unreported U.S. Southern Command policy statement dated Aug. 6, 2002, instructs health-care providers that communications from "enemy persons under U.S. control" at Guantanamo "are not confidential and are not subject to the assertion of privileges" by detainees.


"The global political fallout from such abuse may pose more of a threat to U.S. security than any secrets still closely held by shackled internees at Guantanamo Bay," they add.



The New England Journal of Medicine is the second respected journal to criticize U.S. interrogation techniques.

The British medical journal The Lancet reported in August, 2004, that U.S. military doctors violated medical ethics as part of the interrogation regime at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.

"Not only were (they) aware of human rights abuses, they were actually complicit in them," University of Minnesota professor Steven Miles, who wrote the report, told the Toronto Star's Sandro Contenta. A Lancet editorial urged health-care workers to "now break their silence."


Dear Moderate Republican Quislings:

Of COURSE it came to this.

How could it not?

A frightened nation?

A dry-drunk, half-wit President Hindenberg, run like a Predator Drone by a cabal of amoral Neocon thugs stoned out of their minds on opium dreams of Empire?

A cowardly and deeply complicit press?

A Perfect Villain sitting on an Ocean of Oil?

A piggy bank that can be looted by Dick Cheney’s Rolodex Army for the next 50 years. Nine billion in cash that has already been looted outright; god knows how much oil already plundered?

How many millions upon million to mercs and “contractors” and private security firms, who obey no law and recognize no authority but their paymasters?

With the Regular Army dutifully marched in as cannon-fodder?

So who was left but The Left to warn the public that they were not only witnessing the Biggest Heist in the history of the Universe, but acting as wheel men for the a gang of plunderers on a scale that would make a Viking blush, and a would make Genghis Khan tip his hat and say, “Your Kung Fu is strongest.”

And as the infallable Drgustore Cowboy Rush Limbaugh has been drumming into yous monkey skulls for years, the Left can't be trusted...so no one but Otis the Drunk was left to guard out blood, treasure and national interests.

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By misdirection, baby!

By keeping the marks distracted enough to not notice that you’re stealing the flesh from their bones, and then keeping them embarrassed enough to go to their graves (and take a lot of us with them) before they’d every admit they’d been took.

What, did you think a little thing like being caught Red Fucking Handed was going to shame these wretched Magwitches into stopping?

Did you think that a little thing like being utterly, totally, omnidirectionally and pandimensionally wrong about Every Fucking Thing would ever guilt the Wahabi Christian Party into changing course?

Haven’t you been keeping up with the assigned reading, little man?

Christopaths don’t “do” guilt. They don’t “do” shame. And they sure as shit don’t “do” “I’m sorry, I was wrong.”

They’re going All The Way with this one – they took us to war over this one – and it's Paradise or Bust for these madmen –- these madmen that you RE-ELECTED when the evidence of their insanity and their crimes were as thick around you as flies on a dead man.

And when you go All In with the Devil as your stakehorse, you don’t let trivia like torture and murder and treason and lying to the American public about matters of life and death prevent you from Passing Go.

So of course it came to this: How could it not, so can you hear us NOW??

This is not “a few bad apples.” This is not an isolated incident. This cannot be explained away by blaming it on a few, untrained sadists and mental underperformers turned loose without adult supervision, so quit scapegoating the G.I’s you fucking bellycrawlers.

This is using trained US Army medical personnel to make sure that the torture being conducted under the auspices of the United State Government is as effective as possible.

This is fucking p-o-l-i-c-y and if you don’t denouncing this – denounce it for REAL and demand that people at the highest level of the US Government be held to account – if you plan on defending this atrocity, or by your deafening silence in print or on the radio or on television you plan to give your usual give your coward’s quiet assent, then as a Belated Father’s Day gesture, go now and sincerely apologize to your old man for ever bringing you into this world.

Because you have now officially become the very thing that your fathers and grandfathers went to war and gave their lives to protect their country against.

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USBlues said...

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Captain, a direct hit amidships. She's sinking, straight down to Davey Jones' locker...


Drifty- poetic and surgical. Classic.

Lokon said...

Excellent post.
But honestly... I am freaked the hell out by eminent domain. Seriously dude, much as the war has been shaped by corporate interests, the new ruling concerning emeinent domain pretty much corporations can get damn near any land they want... at damn near any price they want.
I know it's a pet issue of mine, and i am sorry to hijack your post...
But this decision by the supreme court is scarier to me then the patriot act, because acts of conrgess are far more malleable then acts of the supreme court. Again, sorry for the hijack... delete this comment if you gotta and keep up the good work.

Fast Eddy said...

Agreed. Keep up the good work. This is madness. They have LOST THEIR MINDS. This is sick and wrong, wrong, wrong.

The beauty is that they never expected the blogosphere to happen. How could they? But their lies and traitorous conduct are being exposed each and every day on the web.

Kid Charlemagne said...

This piece should be on the front page of every newspaper in the country. These soulless skunks continue to drag the Republic's name through the mud, not to mention spilling the blood of some of its finest people--and many allies and the Lord only knows how many Iraqis, the vast majority of whom were luckless innocents caught in the middle. Also, they are going to bankrupt the Republic in their half-witted attempt to transform it into an Empire, running up the biggest deficits in our history, if not the world's history. They are trying to build an empire ON BORROWED MONEY. WHAT HAPPENS IF OUR CREDITORS GET ANGRY AND/OR SCARED ENOUGH TO CUT OFF THE CREDIT?

I have one complaint: I wish that when you refer to the "Wahhabi Christians", you would add "Pseudo-" or "Fake" or "Phony-As-A-$3-Bill" or something like that before "Christians". Their teachings and policies have about as much to do with my Savior as Elmer
Fudd has to do with clear diction.

Wespectfuwwy youws, Kid Chawwemagne

P. S. Speaking of Looney Tunes, I wish to apologize to Pepe Le Pew, and indeed to all skunks, for comparing the Bush Administration and its apologists to skunks.

sfmike said...

Watched "The Daily Show" on Wednesday night (the Howard Dean as guest episode) and they showed Durbin's original speech which they cut off right at the word "Nazis," and then Jon Stewart proceeded to give him shit about using The Word. Then they showed the Durbin apology, and Stewart gave him more shit for using the word "holocaust." The entire segment was appalling, almost as bad as the ADL acting as if they had trademarked the word "Nazi."

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The Housing Bubble is the only thing preventing the collapse of the economy, which right now is only generating an illusion of wealth-creation by cannibalizing itself.

We have massive debt on every level of government, Federal, state, and local. There's the massive trade deficit. Corporate debt is pretty significant and both Ford's and GM's corporate bonds are quickly being reduced to "junk-bond" status. Individual household debt is nothing short of nightmarish, and the mega-unfair reform of bankruptcy law means all these people defaulting on their debts will be screwed and will end up living a life of indentured servitude.

So when the Housing Bubble pops (it's at its peak of expansion right now) and oil hits $80 a barrel (it's hovering around $60 right now), the whole shitarree will come crashing down like the proverbial ton of bricks. I weep for the future.

Loveandlight said...

SF Mike:

Well, John Stewart is Jewish, IIRC, and Jewish people understandably get very touchy about perceived misappropriations of the terms "Nazi" and "Holocaust". JS is probably flying off the handle here, but I think we can cut him some slack for this one.

Sister Madness said...

loveandlight:

I dunno, I tend to side with SF Mike on this one. Understand, I looove Jon, flew from TX to Chicago to see him live, and usually hang with a great deal of what he says. And he's said his piece (both live and on the show) about the casualness with which the tag "Nazi" is being thrown about these days... I see his point, but he really missed the mark on the Durbin piece, as well as one earlier in the week about Conyers' DSM hearing. I don't know if, post-Crossfire, he's trying to be more "balanced" or what, but IMO he's really fallen flat on two issues that I would have thought I could count on him to jump on. There was also no mention of the 25-foot Snapple strawberry-kiwi popsicle that melted into a gooey mess in the middle of midtown Manhattan, but I think maybe I was the only one who was waiting for that one...

Sister Madness said...

Oh, and driftglass, this was a completely awesome post. Amen, and amen. Sorry for getting off-topic.

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Something to mention in your LTTEs. (It also points up just how tightly coordinated this stunt was. They had the prefab butt-covering all ready to go!)

Anonymous said...

HST used more adjectives, but driftglass has the mojo going. Keep you foot on their necks and Don't let these fuckers up.

Voodoo said...

For those who are interested, NPR's Here and Now did a segment on the Guantanomo doctors on Friday. you can listen here.

This post was brilliant and I've shared it with others in my email list.

This is using trained US Army medical personnel to make sure that the torture being conducted under the auspices of the United State Government is as effective as possible.
This is what they are afraid of; and is the reason Rove is out from under his rock this week. They are distracting from this. The British detainees, when released last year before the election, said in some of their initial statements, that Guantanomo is an interrogation lab, a testing-ground for techniqes new and old, it's an experiment in interrogation - just like the Nazi's.

So, you're right on the $$ with this one, but will it see the light of the news cycle?

driftglass said...

kid c,
I use (and I think maybe coined) the term "Christopath", but for writerly reasons I don't like to beat any given term into the ground. But I do agree with your point; they've gotten the message of JC entirely wrong and don't deserve to use His name on their letterhead.

sister madness,
There is no OT here :-)

And by-and-large I'll only blow away a post if it's hawking chia-penis-grow-paste or some other product, or its not work-safe and not labeled as such, or if it's my own dumbass comment and I regret it a minute later :-)

anon,
Some fine day if I'm very good and practice my swing really hard, I'll crank out four consecutive paragraphs that can match HST for pure incandescent fury. That day isn't here yet, but if it comes, I will celebrate very, very loudly.

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