tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post4505496291763292407..comments2024-03-28T00:02:35.850-05:00Comments on driftglass: Computer, What is the Nature of Conservatism?driftglasshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09379167083253389153noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-9303594199728212952016-09-01T15:54:26.281-05:002016-09-01T15:54:26.281-05:00To add to Unknown's point on 1984: I have the ...To add to Unknown's point on 1984: I have the 1984 commemorative version with a preface by Cronkite and an afterword by Fromm. <br /><br />Here's a relevant snippet from Cronkite: <br />"If not prophecy, what was 1984? It was, as many have noticed, a warning: a warning about the future of human freedom in a world where political organization and technology can manufacture power in dimensions that would have stunned the imagination of earlier ages."<br /><br />Manufacture being the key word here and only 4 years later Herman and Chomsky would put the word to even better use.Andrew Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18120330961481831641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-25184111428670185832016-09-01T11:34:13.218-05:002016-09-01T11:34:13.218-05:00The question that is the headline of this post and...The question that is the headline of this post and the first two paragraphs remind me of the excellent essay <a href="http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/conservatism.html" rel="nofollow"><i>What Is Conservatism and What Is Wrong with It?</i></a> by Philip E. Agre. Apologies if you are already familiar with it or it has been shared here before. Somewhat longish, but he really nails it and explains it completely.<br /><br />Also <i>1984</i>, as you quoted it and also the whole thing. Does anyone read it anymore? When the year 1984 came around, everybody was all, "It's 1984 and it hasn't happened; we're still freeeee! Orwell was wrong HURrrr HUR."<br /><br />Conservatism may or many not be dead, but even if it is, I don't see the joy in that. It's pretty much dragged the rest of us to the very edge of the grave and it's hard to see how everything will keep from falling in. To continue your metaphor of the shrinking bubble, maybe it's like a collapsing star: it becomes infinitely dense, turning into a neutron star whose gravity pulls everybody else in.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00419611536641492148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-46004475575333973142016-09-01T10:10:20.287-05:002016-09-01T10:10:20.287-05:00From CNN Money this morning (Thurs 9-1) re dispute...From CNN Money this morning (Thurs 9-1) re disputes between Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, etc.<br /><br />"All of feel like we're trapped in a barn fire," Beck said. "So we don't know what to do."<br /><br />Enjoy: http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/31/media/conservative-media-limbaugh-beck-hannity-trump/index.htmlEllis Weinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12288528417668206655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-49460800868358579202016-09-01T09:02:51.596-05:002016-09-01T09:02:51.596-05:00The truth is it was never about building a strong ...The truth is it was never about building a strong political party called Republican or even notion of conservative governance. The people cutting the checks for this never needed either to get what they want. Their voters confirmed they don't need a functioning political party to control key choke points and force the political agenda on Democratic Presidents (which has the added bonus making the left waste time in "purity" fights) <br /><br />It has always been about breaking the constitutional Republic that emerged from the New Deal and Second World War. And they were SOOOOO close under Bush until 2006. They have had to satisfy themselves with breaking individual states since then, but they have been very effective at it. They are setting themselves up nicely for the next time they get a stuffed suite with a R after his name in the White House. <br /><br />So Skykes, Ziegler, Tyler, et al. were either stupid enough to think all of this shit was about competing philosophy's of democratic governance serious or, yet again, lying to continue the myth that it was. trgahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04718897286384990852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-11136618953771913202016-09-01T08:06:11.497-05:002016-09-01T08:06:11.497-05:00It works with people too, Batocchio, if you can ge...It works with people too, Batocchio, if you can get them to stop shrieking long enough to listen to you. <br /><br />When you can do nothing, you can do anything. <br /><br />This is very important. <br /><br />If you don't have a career to lose-jobs, connections, reputation--you can do anything you want. I am a nobody so I can say anything that I want, as long as it's true. I can spend as much time as I want on one story, go into minute detail, be relentless and hard-hitting. I can be the Scourge of God. I'm free.<br /><br />The other thing is, if we all decided to get together and concentrate on one person or one problem, I bet we could do a lot more than we do individually. Numbers can compensate for money.<br /><br />We need a League Of Little-to-Medium Bloggers.<br /><br />And a better name.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Susan of Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00076915322771385454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-1585734300237981382016-09-01T08:01:27.403-05:002016-09-01T08:01:27.403-05:00Sadly, as we witness the constricting conservative...Sadly, as we witness the constricting conservative bubble shrinking & squeezing out some of the cheerleaders, I fully expect the bubble to expand again once Clinton is elected. Sykes & Ziegler & all those Never Trumpers will do an immediate about face; wipe the conserva-slate clean as if Trump never existed; and proceed apace to clobber Clinton with all their might. Never forget: conservatism never fails. It's just that Trump failed conservatism. <br /><br />As you do astutely point out: there's way too much money to be made gulling & grifting the rubes to give it up now. And as Sykes & Ziegler have discovered, they are demanding more of the same liberal punching. These parasites have been priming the pump to go after Clinton's jugular for decades now. They ain't going to back down from that lucrative take down no matter how much Meg Whitman donates to HRC's campaign. <br /><br />Hope I'm wrong, but I don't see these MoFos backing down now. RUKiddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14057702539722165035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-27414660621957973742016-09-01T00:51:34.477-05:002016-09-01T00:51:34.477-05:00If only the ol' "I put it to you that you...If only the ol' "I put it to you that your logic is unsound!" gambit, which works so well against old TV sci-fi megalomaniac computers, also made the heads of Trump and his followers explode. Batocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02193752396025012825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-88289435820032512016-08-31T22:34:58.459-05:002016-08-31T22:34:58.459-05:00"Well for us this is the funniest fucking thi..."Well for us this is the funniest fucking thing we have ever seen."<br /><br />Once again, an LOL spit-take of fine brown on the keyboard. Damnit, DG. Nice punchline.<br /><br />But on reflection, not so gdamn funny. As Herr Drumpf would say, "SAD!" Sad because we're doing our best to pop that bubble but the more it constricts, the thicker the bubble walls get, and thus harder for us to jam needles into it. And yet SOMEHOW they manage to still control the media message. It's almost enough to make us free-love liberal types want to go full fascisti and unilaterally declare "NO MORE TELEVISION FOR THE PIG PEOPLE!"<br /><br />Larry Young and his band Love Cry Want played a series of concerts around DC in '72, they were full on freak-jazz/rock in an electric Miles mode and brought the NOISE in a big way.<br />“Richard Nixon was President. There was a nasty war going on in Vietnam, good people were rioting in the streets and cities were aflame. During this series of concerts outside the White House, President Nixon ordered aide, J.R. Haldeman, to pull the plug on the concert fearing that this strange music would “levitate the White House.”<br />http://www.weirdforest.com/store/bandPages/lcw.html#lcw<br /><br />I think we need a healthy does of that outside of Fox, CNN, MSNBC, Limbaugh's Palm Beach studio, etc. Maybe even the NYT building. Threaten to levitate that shit. The White House this time around is not the problem, nor is it Secretary Clinton. It's the media, especially in this campaign, who are stoking the hate. An electric lysergic exorcism is needed. Drumpf would have no traction whatsoever without these pindickmonkeybutts playing Walmart ad time into full coverage to the demographic they would never sit next to at a table anywhere, anytime.<br /><br />I'm a 1st Amendment absolutist, but fark me sideways. Come any inevitable post-Clinton/Clinton-inspired RWNJ AR15 2nd Amendment spree they'll just plead "WORDS. The 1st Amendment! They were only words! We were just reporting!"<br /><br />Yeah. No TV or radio for the pig people. We're beaming in Bitches Brew for y'all 24/7 now. Bitches.<br /><br />- lifeat45rpm<br /><br />/caps the bottle, turns off the screenUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128460666564857113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-17391789344487266812016-08-31T21:30:15.887-05:002016-08-31T21:30:15.887-05:00Brilliant stuff.
You may never get paid 1% of what...Brilliant stuff.<br />You may never get paid 1% of what expressing insight like this is worth, but for gawd's sake don't stop. It was never needed more.<br />Now that the Thousand Year Conservative Reich (like that other one) is drawing to a close somewhat early, many of the troops are burning or burying their uniforms. Don't let them get away with it.bowtiejackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03269786110593961195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-43928320336389257572016-08-31T20:19:04.034-05:002016-08-31T20:19:04.034-05:00"A golden age of full employment for every wi..."A golden age of full employment for every wingnut-welfare halfwit with a word processor or a microphone had dawned."<br /><br /><b>The Doctor:</b> What happens when [the mines] run out?<br /><b>Kimus:</b> Well, the Captain announces a New Golden Age of Prosperity. They just fill up again.<br />-- <i>Doctor Who: The Pirate Planet</i>, part twoNeo Tuxedohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15455041641080873400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-24514898972795353502016-08-31T20:14:15.451-05:002016-08-31T20:14:15.451-05:00The conservative movement is in no way conservativ... The conservative movement is in no way conservative, and as a liberal, I'm getting really tired of having to do their jobs ever since they stopped functioning as a governing party.<br /><br /> -Doug in Oaklanddinthebeasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12941071534250216503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-21206902847783081542016-08-31T18:04:57.773-05:002016-08-31T18:04:57.773-05:00Sadly, more laughs to come.Sadly, more laughs to come.Mark Gislesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05264508885194574116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-32727885290583340242016-08-31T17:55:19.568-05:002016-08-31T17:55:19.568-05:00Walk towards the light if you want to be saved fro...Walk towards the light if you want to be saved from the collapse... HahahaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00389781884730336549noreply@blogger.com