tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post2621994836627148015..comments2024-03-28T00:02:35.850-05:00Comments on driftglass: Noted Science Guy Continues To Be Completely Flummoxed By Human Naturedriftglasshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09379167083253389153noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-56264742115499884752014-03-09T14:48:16.203-05:002014-03-09T14:48:16.203-05:00Of late I had begun to feel sort of... well - wash...Of late I had begun to feel sort of... well - washed out on all of this "Why We Fight" political shit. But every time I cruise by here Drifty and see you referencing home base - I start remembering those good ol' days of hot polidiscourse with you and LoLo and Mistress Jen and The Big Fella - and I get my back up for some more fighting and facializin' with the Rightards I'm surrounded by down here on the Gold Coast of Georgia. Got tears in my eyes behind this one - gotta go.drbopperthphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09065040490038194712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-60697431423593458892014-03-06T08:03:50.411-06:002014-03-06T08:03:50.411-06:00Strider,
That's a great quote from Sagan. Than...Strider,<br />That's a great quote from Sagan. Thank you.<br /><br />Mike.K.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-16084498779874845212014-03-06T06:33:07.484-06:002014-03-06T06:33:07.484-06:00Anonymous
I wrote "by now" as being incl...Anonymous<br />I wrote "by now" as being inclusive of society in general and the statement is true. If you want the provenance of <i>my</i> disbelief it would've taken place in 1979 when, during my final CCD classes, I was all "How do we know G-d exists?" and Fr. Jaskula was all "You have to have faith" and I was all "That's kinda dubious". Fast forward to 1980 when Carl Sagan, as host of Cosmos, was all "The suppression of uncomfortable ideas may be common in religion and politics, but it is not the path to knowledge; it has no place in the endeavor of science.", "With insufficient data it is easy to go wrong.", and "Human beings have a demonstrated talent for self-deception when their emotions are stirred.". I was hooked.Striderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14891568020027487586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-40657242000621203942014-03-06T03:28:23.043-06:002014-03-06T03:28:23.043-06:00I don't know if the national media mentioned i...I don't know if the national media mentioned it, but Nye also had supporters in the audience. My local mainslime media reported that people flew in from around the world to see the debate. I live in Cincinnati and the museum is across the river so we were inundated with breathless coverage.Kathleennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-65971016683857780802014-03-06T03:25:28.742-06:002014-03-06T03:25:28.742-06:00@n*ick @10:55 PM
"Sitting back and not sayin...@n*ick @10:55 PM<br /><br />"Sitting back and not saying a fucking thing is worse than putting yourself out there."<br />I agree and wish I were more courageous. <br /><br />@zombie rotten mcdonald @5:01PM<br /><br />LOL!Kathleennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-34079848408905377772014-03-06T01:35:44.054-06:002014-03-06T01:35:44.054-06:00"But after nine years, as far as I can tell, ..."But after nine years, as far as I can tell, while a few of my peers are now playing my ragtime, ain't nobody upstairs listening."<br /><br />you see things as they are, driftglass, and are brutally honest about what you see, and those are two of the biggest reasons I respect you so. I for one think you are a great read. you have been an oasis in the desert of honesty and common sense. thank you for sharing nine years of great writing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-41060424328219254242014-03-06T00:04:38.741-06:002014-03-06T00:04:38.741-06:00What strikes me is that for a political group with...What strikes me is that for a political group with so many atheists, liberals act like there's some sort of objective higher authority who determines the winner of all reasoned debates.<br /><br />I don't believe this is a conscious behavior. It's almost completely unconscious, so we keep playing Charlie Brown to the wingnuts' Lucy, because we're certain the referee has to step in at some point.<br /><br />I hit the Steve Gilliard point back around 2008, after a mere two years of following politics. "Fuck 'em and feed 'em fish heads" is the only way to go now, but the NPR crowd keeps wanting to play patticake.<br />Cliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198405937534052637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-3029423260651474782014-03-06T00:01:23.071-06:002014-03-06T00:01:23.071-06:00Yeah, I gotta take Nye's side, too. If the &qu...Yeah, I gotta take Nye's side, too. If the "debate" got some fools to part with some of their money on behalf of Ham's silliness, that's a net gain for reason and the angels of light.<br /><br />Unless you really, truly think Ham has a legitimate, viable, sustainable business plan, then this infusion of cash will disappear like so much dust in the wind. Once the hordes of the faithful plunk down their hard-earned to gawp at the exhibits, they're not very likely to do it again. Unless they can con some unsuspecting friends into seeing it, but that vein will peter out pretty quickly, too.<br /><br />Five years from now, nobody's going to remember Ham's version of Ozymandias.gratuitousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-11236104690720579422014-03-05T22:55:15.335-06:002014-03-05T22:55:15.335-06:00Bullshit.
I think JerryB is exactly right, and I&...Bullshit.<br /><br />I think JerryB is exactly right, and I'll add some to it.<br /><br />1. Debates where one side is honest and objectively accurate and the other side is not...are not designed to sway the liars and faithful. Period.<br /><br />Bill Nye went right the fuck out and told a whole bunch of people who doubt/don't believe religion and who value science, that there are people like them out there in this ostensibly Christian country.<br /><br />He gave great information to people who know that science is objective and based in reality. Arguments that they can use defend themselves and their "beliefs", or to at least help in not succumbing to peer pressure of claiming to be a Christian because mommy, daddy and sissy all claim to be.<br /><br />2. Let's really use our critical thinking skills about the whole fundraising BS I keep seeing.<br /><br />a) The creation museum is a big joke and can't stand on its own financially. Ok.<br /><br />b) The newest "enemy of science and libruuulism", Bill Nye, has gotten a bunch of dumbfuck rich morons to throw their money down a hole to pay for another creation museum with better dinosaur models and a big boat that won't make money. Ok.<br /><br />That in itself is a win. If he diminished, even ever so slightly the power and wealth of dumbfuck morons, than my thanks to Bill Nye.<br /><br />c) Bill Nye should just, what, exactly? Shut up and be a good libruuul? Sit at home lamenting how science is constantly slandered and libeled?<br /><br />Instead, he went out, destroyed Hamm, or whomever the fuck he debated...and got Pat Fucking Robertson to call Hamm a moron for touting creationism.<br /><br />I'm sorry, but Bill Nye did a lot of good. The people who watched the debate because they understand that science is reality and religion is not likely got a good show, a few talking points and good info. I'm sorry if better libruuuuls than me just don't get it. <br /><br />Just because you don't initially win and convince the entire fucking world to give up the indoctrination they've been subject to their entire lives doesn't mean the other side won.<br /><br />Is evolution taught in Tennessee? Why? Because of that traitor Clarence Darrow, who did everybody a big disservice by standing up for science and against idiocy!<br /><br />Fuck Clarence Darrow! Am I right, or am I right!<br /><br />Or, if you're tired of libruuuuls putting up with other people's views...it only changes when people start to speak up.<br /><br />Sitting back and not saying a fucking thing is worse than putting yourself out there. Cinesiashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14996950964848333121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-59597633891077713532014-03-05T22:04:20.475-06:002014-03-05T22:04:20.475-06:00Strider:
"If there's one thing we should&...Strider:<br />"If there's one thing we should've learned by now it's that evangelists aren't to be trusted."<br /><br />Now? Really, Strider? *Now* we should have learned that?<br /><br />Please forgive me, but as a non-christian gay man who played Dungeons & Dragons (and to the one who went off on that last time, don't start), I learned ~back in the 80's~ that there was *no* lie to small or petty or twisted that they won't tell to make a buck of the ones they keep deluded and afraid of the devil that all their deepest fears and lies and malevolence are actually the work of *those* people. <br /><br />The willfully ignorant and superstitious *need* this raft of lies to be true because they *need* the malevolence to all be the work of "those" people, and they *need* their fear and ignorance and bronze age superstition to be vindicated as something great and glorious that will save the world. <br /><br />That is why I'm always polite, but at the first jam, I will throw down with these people, "You KNOW that's a lie, and don't think I'm obliged to be afraid of your lies."<br /><br />Mike.K. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-91262490542433952402014-03-05T21:26:00.952-06:002014-03-05T21:26:00.952-06:00Two thoughts on the practice of engaging in honest...Two thoughts on the practice of engaging in honest, intellectual conversation with those who are neither:<br /><br />1) The practice is a time-honored act that a) continues the tradition of exchanging ideas/viewpoints, in which a rational conclusion may result and b) is an act of faith that the other party is honest and intelligent.<br /><br />2) More cynically, the honest debater damns the dishonest one. And in the case of these so-called Christians, there the saying of Peter: "It would be better if they had never known the way to righteousness than to know it and then reject the command they were given to live a holy life." (2 Peter 2:21)<br /><br />Unfortunately, points 1 & 2 have been exhausted upon these morons and they're already damned. So I am happy to simply needle, ignore or laugh at them.bluicebankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06821812102554488543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-67097558132991364992014-03-05T21:16:53.793-06:002014-03-05T21:16:53.793-06:00Awesome you're reading WEIT but PZ Myers made ...Awesome you're reading WEIT but PZ Myers made the excellent point that Ham hasn't supplied the relevant data regarding the "museum's" take from the debate. If there's one thing we should've learned by now it's that evangelists <i>aren't</i> to be trusted.Striderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14891568020027487586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-80172836945360367692014-03-05T17:03:48.973-06:002014-03-05T17:03:48.973-06:00It will be some jobs during construction helping t... <i>It will be some jobs during construction helping the local economy<br /></i><br />On the contrary. I am willing to bet that a lot of contractors and suppliers will be put out of business by the non-payment of bills.<br /><br />I will even go out on a limb here and bet the designers and architects haven't received their fees yet.zombie rotten mcdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10601960953323752278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-35738157511123669072014-03-05T17:01:32.449-06:002014-03-05T17:01:32.449-06:00This. Liberals drive me crazy with their need to s...<i>This. Liberals drive me crazy with their need to see the other side and respect everyone's opinion.</i><br /><br />I respect your opinion, Kathleen.zombie rotten mcdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10601960953323752278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-82027746539726796902014-03-05T16:02:14.638-06:002014-03-05T16:02:14.638-06:00I'm excited by the prospect of the creation pa...I'm excited by the prospect of the creation park getting built. It will be some jobs during construction helping the local economy. Ham and others will sink every dime they have into the park and after a couple of seasons the owners will declare bankruptcy and go under. Ham will go away and that will be that.<br /><br />Jim Baker, anybody?JerryBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-3000218336368502472014-03-05T15:11:50.034-06:002014-03-05T15:11:50.034-06:00This is why you don't treat Christians and peo...This is why you don't treat Christians and people from bumfuck as adults or even human children. They aren't, they never were, and they never will be. <br /><br />Just go back to civilization and point and laugh at them. Because outside of the sheer amusement the mass idiocy generates, there isn't anything of value there.<br /><br />The only way to fight these people is to strip them of every bit of political and economic power they have. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-88485125367320035122014-03-05T13:45:43.265-06:002014-03-05T13:45:43.265-06:00"There's a tendency for liberals to try a..."There's a tendency for liberals to try and be fair, to consider other viewpoints, so we get baited by them in debates on terms that they set"...<br /><br />This. Liberals drive me crazy with their need to see the other side and respect everyone's opinion. I see it alot in my age group (older, heh heh) but I don't know how badly that need infects younger people. For me, the line (internally) is, "XXX is bat crap crazy and has nothing to offer a discussion". Period end of. I probably won't tell XXX that, and, unless XXX is advocating violent actions I would respect "the right to have the opionon". But the actual opinion? Hell no. I will stop. Steve put it better than I ever could. I miss him. DG, you deserve the mantle he bestowed on you. Kathleennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-39784942471921049182014-03-05T13:34:24.495-06:002014-03-05T13:34:24.495-06:00Religion is but a stepping stone on the long journ...Religion is but a stepping stone on the long journey toward enlightenment. One day it will no longer be necessary.<br /><br />Until that day, we have to put up with a lot of crap.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14591626532712624961noreply@blogger.com