tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post1913193734940908563..comments2024-03-28T00:02:35.850-05:00Comments on driftglass: On the Subject of Listening to the People of the Landdriftglasshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09379167083253389153noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-64796471323034354672017-04-19T05:01:35.606-05:002017-04-19T05:01:35.606-05:00When Bernie losses the 'I' after his name ...When Bernie losses the 'I' after his name & pays his fucking dues - then maybe, just maybe - he'll be picked for the Team. 'til then? STFU. <br /><br />Thank you.<br />lali.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-67722850301910903862017-04-19T04:57:37.883-05:002017-04-19T04:57:37.883-05:00Liars gonna lie, crackers gonna crack.
The story-...Liars gonna lie, crackers gonna crack.<br /><br />The story-telling needs a strong, true frame - not the gaslighting and stating-fiction-as-fact that Anderson, (with his piercing Paul Newman eyes) skips over like a frog off a log. ie: Jack Kingston.<br /><br />ANGELA RYE & BAKARI SELLERS 2020!! <br />Kickin' at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight!<br /><br />"We're Courageous. We're Humble. And We KNOW HOW TO FIGHT!" - Jon Osshoff from the sweet Georgia 6th...<br /><br />Media owners (scribes) and the backers who back'em (pharisees) are the Brood of Vipers, about whom many Words have been written.<br /><br />We can 'flip a lot of tables' with pen & paper, my sisters and brothers. The Truth will always out - which side are you comin' down on?<br /><br />Someone once said - "Just watch me!". Any guesses?<br /><br /><br />www.IdleNoMore.ca<br />B D S <br />lovingit!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-88770313752125356102016-12-17T21:33:23.295-06:002016-12-17T21:33:23.295-06:00As an early and enthusiastic Sanders supporter who...As an early and enthusiastic Sanders supporter who contributed a little money in the general election to Clinton and a lot to Democratic candidates in competitive races for House and Senate, hoping for a landslide, I am in general agreement with DG's pointing the finger of blame at the mainstream corporate media for enabling a grossly unqualified sociopath to rise to power. If the media had done their job, Trump would have done worse than Goldwater and McGovern, despite Comey and Putin. <br /><br />Although we still need to discuss Democratic program and messaging to mobilize both the Obama voters who stayed home and the working class voters who drank the kool-ade, today's topic is the misfeasance, malfeasance and nonfeasance of the corporate media who filtered out what was at stake in this year'e election, the culmination of a long term trend as Bob Kuttner explains in The American Prospect: http://prospect.org/article/audacity-hope<br /><br />The challenge is what to do about it. IMO one necessity is to create a progressive populist communications system on the same scale as the right wing propaganda machine which has been pulling on the mainstream media for decades. That will require three things: sufficient funds to create multimedia outlets, personalities to attract tens of millions of working class eyes and ears, and populist communicators who can frame current issues in language working people relate to - hundreds of younger Jim Hightowers. The money could come from liberal billionaires like Soros, Steyer, and even Bloomberg. The personalities could come from the entertainment world - the Hollywood left and rock stars like Springsteen, etc.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01750316750323510554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-54687370666181462772016-12-10T12:18:09.848-06:002016-12-10T12:18:09.848-06:00As the biggest proponent here of the line of think...As the biggest proponent here of the line of thinking that your post piles copious amounts of evidence against, I thank you for your time and diligence. I'm still not writing off any voters. It is impossible to overstate the importance of these next elections, and we lost this last one by less than a million votes, spread the right way in the buckets. Maybe the coefficient is not as weighty as I hope it to be, but I'm not writing off any variables in the linear equation to 270.<br /><br />I've actually read a lot of pushback against my line of thinking elsewhere in the blogosphere, right after you published this. It's funny how the Universal Consciousness works sometimes. If we are having an effect on the conversation, maybe we can turn the conversation to the variable you say we can change the coefficient, the Press: The point-of-attack for the battle to come must be the "hustlers, hucksters, hacks, and cowards" of the Beltway media itself.<br /><br />How do Democrats start framing the Issues? that's what I want to know. Republicans frame every issue and the Press uses Republican framing, which is what the public gets. How do we go on offense here, and not always be playing defense.<br /><br />And I'll open the conversation with: Concerted effort, point of attack; if this is a chess game, we need to make the moves that set up the move in the middle of the board that gains us the positioning. Twitter is knight to C3 (an early-game move). Now what? <br /><br />proverbialleadballoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11592049897382920314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-40588934116639955652016-12-09T21:34:21.769-06:002016-12-09T21:34:21.769-06:00Commercial media has steadfastly made sure liberal...Commercial media has steadfastly made sure liberalism always comes across as vague, feckless & air-headed to the public - & track record notwithstanding, said public has largely bought in. Now they get to harvest the manifold blessings of that transaction, good & hard.<br /><br />Any Liberal Outreach that seriously thinks the Flyover Falange are going to listen to them (let alone parse whatever they're being told) is Liberal Outreach that needs to back the fuck away from the bong. <br /><br />Show good results, then explain how & why you got them, then ask for help getting better results.<br /><br />Propaganda Of The Deed: it's not just for 19th Century anarchist assassins any more!jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06840719620959481121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-60024370717979878532016-12-09T08:47:35.465-06:002016-12-09T08:47:35.465-06:00A few things I'd like to get out of the way fi...A few things I'd like to get out of the way first.<br /><br />1. I voted, donated, and volunteered for Hillary. I think she was an objectively better candidate, even though she wasn't idea.<br />2. I concede that we are bringing manufacturing jobs back into the United States.<br /><br />Here's the thing. This part of the scenario goes into the category of "be careful what you wish for"(you, in this case being the rural population of the US).<br /><br />Bringing manufacturing(and even manufacturing jobs) back isn't going to fix the problems the working class are grumbling about.<br /><br />Look at the articles you posted. They are talking about jobs involving "hackathons" and new technology. To be blunt, these are the type of jobs for the college educated, the young, and the highly qualified overall. <br /><br />The problem is that those aren't the people that tipped the Electoral College in favor of Trump. The people who tipped the balance were people who were the ones who voted for Obama previously and switched to Trump, that being people whose jobs have vanished and aren't coming back.<br /><br />Tim Guy wrote a really good article about this not too long ago, check it out.<br /><br /><br />economistsview.typepad.com/timduy/2016/12/desperately-searching-for-a-new-stretegy.html<br /><br /><br />Jim Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04368704961077326796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-6676450537914561152016-12-08T18:27:43.055-06:002016-12-08T18:27:43.055-06:00Bravo, DG! Excellent research and writing. Thank ...Bravo, DG! Excellent research and writing. Thank you.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-44458970300455783652016-12-08T17:36:53.483-06:002016-12-08T17:36:53.483-06:00My suggestion is to consider where we go from here...My suggestion is to consider where we go from here. Re-litigating the election should be pretty much El-Completo at this point.<br /><br />Clinton Lost; Trump Won.<br /><br />Now what? <br /><br />I'm not a huge fan of either Obama or Clinton, but it's pointless to go on and on about what I perceive to be their faults, etc. Better to focus on: what's next, and how can we get there?<br /><br />I'm not entirely sure what that looks like, but speaking only for myself, my R&D these days is focusing on what the next good steps are that I can take to seek improvements, both for myself and the rest of us.<br /><br />How 'bout we all try that for a change?<br /><br />PS Thanks for your continuing excellent, often amusing, sometimes amazing commentary, Driftglass. I'm grateful for your writing & insights. It's terrific. Thanks to you and Blue Gal and best to your family.RUKiddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14057702539722165035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-12458882486701812452016-12-08T17:26:12.466-06:002016-12-08T17:26:12.466-06:00love your work, mr. glass-
fucking sanders.
&quo...love your work, mr. glass-<br /><br />fucking sanders.<br /><br />"i come from the white working class, and I am deeply humiliated that the democratic party cannot talk to where i came from." <br /><br />crazy doc brown came from brooklyn-<br /><br />brooklyn broke HARD for hillary.<br /><br />what the FUCK is he TALKING about?Dan Kleinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17105769155368338250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-52172556433257500532016-12-08T15:14:54.150-06:002016-12-08T15:14:54.150-06:00Funny how a post about the media's catastrophi...Funny how a post about the media's catastrophic failures turned into a pissy re-litigation of every wart on Clinton's record going back to Goldwater. <br /><br />Well that's going to stop now. <br /><br />Anyone who looked into the face of a straight-up racist, fascist con man and decided to vote for him or sit it out <b>for whatever reason</b> ain't on my team. Save your excuses. I do not care.<br /><br />Fortunately, we live in the Age of the Internet (yay!) and there are plenty of other sites (some of which are underwritten by dot com billionaires) where all people do all day long year after year after year is biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch about Barack Obama (and the drooling jackbooted Obot stooges of jackbootery like me) and Hillary Clinton and, well, pretty much everyone else. <br /><br />Diversity!<br /><br />And that's great. You want show up at a funeral and go on and on and on and on about how the dear departed was a jerk who owed you money, those places would LOVE to have you. <br /><br />But I'm not interested in it here.driftglasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09379167083253389153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-42187108351661578792016-12-08T14:53:43.716-06:002016-12-08T14:53:43.716-06:00Duke, I think you're right about one thing:
S...Duke, I think you're right about one thing:<br /><br />She did lose the election because of third party voters…<br /><br />The same ones that helped that black guy kick GOP ass so hard they had to take off their shirts to shit. <br /><br />:o) Tanbarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371486058838349902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-13067394289435323092016-12-08T14:48:57.867-06:002016-12-08T14:48:57.867-06:00Another analysis of Trumpism that tips the hat to ...Another analysis of Trumpism that tips the hat to racism as part of Trumps rise but looks a bit deeper. There seems to be an emphasis on policy over identity:<br />https://youtu.be/Bkm2Vfj42FY?t=369who?https://www.blogger.com/profile/05942301083292679270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-26073627626528673942016-12-08T14:48:19.139-06:002016-12-08T14:48:19.139-06:00Ahhh…dear Duquense…another thoughtful, cogent, rep...Ahhh…dear Duquense…another thoughtful, cogent, republican-lite Hillary supporter. <br /><br />Did you read the news today? How she's holding a great big posh dinner for all of her fatcat donors? Some of the not-quite-so-fat cats are upset.<br /><br />And in my little snowflake way, I'd like to point out that it's your beloved little "centrist" who just engineered the worst defeat for progressives in our history. I don't think even Reagan didn't come in with the chance to nominate 4 SCOTUS justices. That is on her, and your, bar tab. <br /><br /><br /><br />Tanbarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371486058838349902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-46953816183415414332016-12-08T14:41:09.505-06:002016-12-08T14:41:09.505-06:00No, I don't want to blow you, but I will take ...No, I don't want to blow you, but I will take the time to point out your nonsense.<br /><br />In 2002, Hillary Clinton voted for "Operation Enduring clusterfuck" the worst foreign policy decision in our history. At the same time, 21 democratic Senators had the intelligence and courage to vote against it.<br />She didn't decide to start eating that vote until she saw how much it was hurting her chances for the democratic nomination in 2008. <br /><br />Hillary's ties to Wall Street are numerous and indisputable. <br />That Donald Trump, the archetype fatcat, was able to make political hay out of talking about them is, sadly, now a fact. <br /><br />In 2008, the IRS was suing the United Bank of Switzerland, one of the biggest financial entities in the world, for information about 54,000 accounts held there by wealthy Americans. Just after Clinton was confirmed in 2009, she responded to UBS's pleas for help by leaning on the IRS. Two things happened:<br /><br />The IRS dropped their request for information to 4,000 people, and and Bill began collecting a million and a half dollars in speaking fees from UBS. <br /><br />How republican can you get? <br /><br />Internalized Karl Rove's methods? <br /><br />This from someone whom, if Hillary walked out on the stage wearing an SS pantsuit, you'd prattle about how good she looks in black.<br /><br />Have you forgotten: "Hard working white people won't vote for Barak Obama."?<br /><br />How about, when Obama had the nomination locked up:<br /><br />Hillary: "I can't get out now, look what happened to Robert Kennedy."<br /><br />Did you not see, in her campaign in 2008, the clip of her praising John McCain, while she dissed Obama? <br /><br />Would you like to discuss why, in the 2008 primary campaign, the National Organization for Women<br />turned their backs on her and endorsed Obama? <br /><br />She and Bill used foundation money to pay Chelsea a juicy salary and to pay for her lavish wedding. Their foundation has done some good things, in obtaining access to medicines for third-world countries to fight HIV, but they have used the funds for personal purposes, too. <br /><br />I'm not arguing that Trump isn't worse, but just like I posted up-thread: <br /><br />"We suck less!" doesn't work any more. <br /><br />BTW, last count, I think Trump managed a bit more than a "razor thin" victory in the electoral vote. <br />Tanbarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371486058838349902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-59509459635995346042016-12-08T13:54:37.579-06:002016-12-08T13:54:37.579-06:00@tanbark
"He ran as a real progressive, not ...@tanbark <br />"He ran as a real progressive, not some republican-lite, shouting "WE SUCK LESS!"<br /><br />"That message should not be lost in all of the finger-pointing about the recent disaster."<br /><br />Oh, you precious little snowflake. You really believe that there's no difference. You really believe that the second highest number of votes received by a candidate in history means that her message was crap, and that if she was a REAL liberal/progressive/whatever, she would have won. That if she really believed in sparkling unicorns and candyland, she could have overcome the misogyny and racism plugged by the fascist oompa loompa.<br /><br />I remember a whole fountain of shit called "EMAILS EMAILS EMAILS" and not a whole lot of policy discussion. I recall a constant stream of BOTH SIDES! and SHE'S CORRUPT with no basis in reality. I remember people who should have been trying to extinguish the chances of the obviously incompentent and horrifying fascist standing over on the side talking shit about how Clinton was in bed with Wall St.<br /><br />I saw Clinton lose the election because of 3rd party voters.<br /><br />Fuck you and the sparkling unicorn you rode in on, you useless waste of oxygen. Go party with the fascists that you helped unleash on this country. The deaths of the people that are going to lose their health insurance shortly are on your head.<br /><br />Go away, the adults are trying to talk, you petulant child.<br />duquesne_pdxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10741121985491756399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-2822853781227657892016-12-08T13:24:12.103-06:002016-12-08T13:24:12.103-06:00Ima gonna use some of this in my letters to editor...Ima gonna use some of this in my letters to editors campaign. Thanks! and will hit the tip jarkerishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15435578381846707037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-26541370660390296282016-12-08T11:31:05.595-06:002016-12-08T11:31:05.595-06:00@trgahan Your points are well taken, but nothing ...@trgahan Your points are well taken, but nothing about this is new. All this nonsense about "Progressives" dates back to the eighties, when the Republicans succeeded in demonizing that good old word "Liberal" to the point that people threw up their hands and gave a collective sigh of "Fine! Have it your way." The end result is that these words don't mean much if anything anymore. When you come across liberal/left/progressive/populist/radical you have to pay attention to pick up the author's intent from the context.<br /><br />@Tanbark Oh, blow me. Obama won in a landslide because the entire country was sick and disgusted by the disaster of Bush implementing standard Republican policies. Obama's policy proposals were virtually indistinguishable from Clinton's, as both were mainstream Democrats - in 2008, everybody knew this and nomination was decided on matters of style and taste rather that substantive policy differences.<br /><br />Clinton 2016 ran to the left of Obama 2016 in every way that matters, which she was free to do because of Obama's successes. The fact that she was denied the Presidency by a razor thin margin in the electoral college has more to do with the electorate's attention span than with any self adulatory "Republican Lite" nonsense and it's certainly no excuse to put chronic Democrat haters in charge of the Democratic Party. Those guys have been blowing elections in expectation of some ensuing rapture for my entire adult life, and I am heartily tired of their counter productive disruptor tactics.<br /><br />As to your specific point, Obama ran on health care reform and he implemented the only major health care reform in half a century. You may misremember him as running on Single Payer, because that is the ardent desire of yourself and your little gang, but that was never on the table. You can look it up! The factual record is clear. No matter how well you have internalized Karl Rove's methods, your persistent little disinformation campaign will never succeed in turning your preferred lies into reality.Mike Lumishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14083545582415707582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-47120757228571383792016-12-08T10:41:51.859-06:002016-12-08T10:41:51.859-06:00We COULD have an effective platform, but it takes ...We COULD have an effective platform, but it takes some political courage, and a candidate who can convincingly put if forth, without the undeniable ties to the corporate shits that have taken over our media and our culture. <br /><br />Tanbarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371486058838349902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-59802054056535209792016-12-08T10:18:35.923-06:002016-12-08T10:18:35.923-06:00Excellent post. Thank you!Excellent post. Thank you!Betty Crackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07034552039786804102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-80997036569414224322016-12-08T10:16:56.475-06:002016-12-08T10:16:56.475-06:00Liberals just do not have an effective platform , ...Liberals just do not have an effective platform , and anyway I think things have reached the point where no one is listening any more. <br />The online forums are swamps , Breitbart etc. full of fake news and robots in Eastern Europe retweeting to cause " trends" , our information highways are turned against us - a raging virus in our system infecting our very cells -how does one eradicate that ?<br />We are at nuclear level of disinformation and blatant lies - mostly from our President Elect ! When our leaders are called on this = Paul Ryan - the answer is " that is not my concern " ! <br /> DG is right , Democrats will never get taken seriously by the TV media , but we still need TV or radio to get the TRUTH out and get the MESSAGE out. <br />we need a channel called , " NEWS FOR THE 99% " and I vote for DG to be in charge of it . sligowomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00541694400948547529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-18827437821468531362016-12-08T10:12:13.790-06:002016-12-08T10:12:13.790-06:00Both liberals and conservatives hate CNN, so they ...Both liberals and conservatives hate CNN, so they must be doing something right (they tell themselves).Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08469262537314894217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-73692535845743539302016-12-08T09:54:12.556-06:002016-12-08T09:54:12.556-06:00Excellent analysis. Excellent analysis. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15404868306314701182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-57670854859919561602016-12-08T09:49:46.705-06:002016-12-08T09:49:46.705-06:00something we shouldn't forget, is that a young...something we shouldn't forget, is that a young, relatively unknown black man, with a name perilously close to "Osama", in 2008, won the presidency in a REAL landslide, doubling John McCain's electoral vote.<br />(Unfortunately, that's the only one that really counts…) <br /><br />He did it by running on policies of real change: Single Payer health care, support for Unions, more regulation on the crony capitalism that is now about to run hog-ass-wild…<br />Short of it: "By, For, and Of…" <br /><br />He ran as a real progressive, not some republican-lite, shouting "WE SUCK LESS!"<br /><br />That message should not be lost in all of the finger-pointing about the recent disaster.<br /><br /><br /><br />Tanbarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371486058838349902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-55388790071193046732016-12-08T09:41:01.689-06:002016-12-08T09:41:01.689-06:00Oh, and the reason the kid was born in a stable wa...Oh, and the reason the kid was born in a stable was because his parents were being forced by an oppressive, distant oligarchy back to where there families came from to get on a registry (a census). Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05630222099564418320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-82422990924650400782016-12-08T09:34:20.682-06:002016-12-08T09:34:20.682-06:00As our host has so thoroughly documented over lo t...As our host has so thoroughly documented over lo these many years this Frankenstein voter monster did not just happen, it was created by the right for its nefarious purposes over the last 40 years using talk radio, cheating, lying, gerrymandering, voter suppression, dirty tricks, venality (h/t to DFB), and general thuggery. <br /><br />Yes people, including white working class voters are upset. Richard Wolff has nicely laid out though what he thinks are the real underlying forces: it's not that people wanted Trump, they wanted change (as they did with Obama in 2008).<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPDd9cibY9A&t=394s<br /><br />But now a psychopath, a cunning psychopath, has grabbed the wheel like a drunk teenager and taken over the right’s operation.<br />I ran Robert Hare's PPL-R Checklist on him (it's the gold standard for ID-ing psychopaths - you can google it).<br />Max score is 40, anything over 30 is a psychopath. Trump CLEARLY scores in at least the low 30's.<br /><br />A psychopath incidentally is a person without a conscience, who is incapable of empathy or experiencing emotions (shame, regret, etc.) as normal people do or caring about others.<br />Anger and rage are the only emotions psychopaths do. Remind you of anybody?<br />We are in deep trouble.<br /><br />Interestingly, when I tell people Trump is a psychopath, they really don’t want to hear it and (like climate change deniers) simply turn off.<br />Read any of these articles and make up your own mind:<br /><br />https://psychopathsdemystified.wordpress.com/tag/donald-trump-the-sociopath/<br /><br />http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/28/politics/donald-trump-david-plouffe-psychopath/<br /><br />Donald Trump: A True Narcissistic Sociopath<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkUFUkvNYAQ<br /><br />This guy writes extensively on narcissism and psychopathy and watched 600 HOURS of Trump tapes.<br />http://www.inquisitr.com/2870145/malignant-and-psychopathic-donald-trump-expert-studies-600-hours-of-trump-footage/<br /><br />The real problem I think we are facing is not getting white working class voters for the 2010 election.<br />The real problem is that Trump is not the only psychopath out there. <br />A LOT of successful psychopaths (think banking, corporations, plutocrats and the worst boss you ever had) now see him threatening their interests with his craziness. They're not going to try to woo white working class voters. They are going to protect their interests and will literally stop at nothing to do that.<br />Things could get really dicey.<br /><br />There's an old African adage to the effect that when elephants fight, the grass better watch out.<br /><br />bowtiejackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03269786110593961195noreply@blogger.com