tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post848502540980118448..comments2024-03-28T21:32:41.763-05:00Comments on driftglass: More Silly Shit Andrew Sullivan Says, Ctd.driftglasshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09379167083253389153noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-17197520271365080782014-01-30T13:10:02.605-06:002014-01-30T13:10:02.605-06:00I think my problem is that I'm still looking f...I think my problem is that I'm still looking for some meaning amongst all the pathological rambling.<br /><br />--Nonny MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-52547552551926938192014-01-28T20:33:28.787-06:002014-01-28T20:33:28.787-06:00Neo Tuxedo,
That's funny; so you're sayin...Neo Tuxedo,<br /><br />That's funny; so you're saying that a Thatcherite regards all hippies as stand-ins for international Communism?<br /><br />No wonder Driftglass loves Andrew Sullivan with the heat of a thousand suns.<br /><br />--Nonny MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-25455534083362845482014-01-28T20:00:38.086-06:002014-01-28T20:00:38.086-06:00"I only wonder if it is his love of the plato..."I only wonder if it is his love of the platonic ideal of conservatism that blinds him or more cynical, pragmatic motives. In practice, the distinction hardly matters."<br /><br />He's an un- or poorly-reconstructed Thatcherite; based only on the words he's extruded, I assume it all comes down to fear that, if he admits he was wrong about anything he did in the name of fighting the International Communist Conspiracy, it will rise from the grave and retroactively conquer the world. (In the words of a great Irish playwright: "It appears the case is... was not so unusual.")Neo Tuxedohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15455041641080873400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-954872531318554332014-01-28T17:10:26.205-06:002014-01-28T17:10:26.205-06:00Neo Tuxedo,
You (and Kathleen) are right, of cour...Neo Tuxedo,<br /><br />You (and Kathleen) are right, of course. Whatever his motives, there is really no excuse for ignoring the heritage of the forces that are now ascendent in the GOP coalition.<br /><br />I only wonder if it is his love of the platonic ideal of conservatism that blinds him or more cynical, pragmatic motives. In practice, the distinction hardly matters.<br /><br />Although, now that I think about it, Sully's revisionist history of how Clinton was treated is pretty fucking funny given his attitude towards Hillary during the 2008 primaries. I recall his gut-level distaste for the Clintons was loud and proud. That's a pretty shallow memory hole.<br /><br />--Nonny MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-64808391925887582202014-01-28T16:08:31.650-06:002014-01-28T16:08:31.650-06:00You didn't ask me, Nonny, but when Captain Bar...You didn't ask me, Nonny, but when Captain Bareback says, with his bare face hanging out, "I don’t recall Clinton being perceived as a socialist or howls of protest from the wealthy", he's either feigning ignorance or making an active effort to not recall it, because nobody who spent the 1990s here in Unistat, or indeed anywhere on the planet Earth, could've missed the squealing that my old friend <a href="http://www.bartcop.com/0145.htm" rel="nofollow">the Beard Copilot</a> once likened to <a href="www.bartcop.com/0089.htm%E2%80%8E" rel="nofollow">a chicken caught in a tractor's nuts."</a>Neo Tuxedohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15455041641080873400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-69285136905738369412014-01-28T15:06:59.767-06:002014-01-28T15:06:59.767-06:00I'm currently reading Dallas, 1963 and I highl...I'm currently reading Dallas, 1963 and I highly recommend it. The book goes into great detail about the formation of the John Birch Society and the behavior of its members. The parallels between then and now are striking (including an account of the "mink coated mob" that attacked LBJ and Lady Byrd in Dallas). The big difference I see between then and now is that 1) there was no mass media channel like Fox News (though there were popular radio programs like HL Hunt's Lifeline) and 2) the media, Republicans, and JFK and RFK called the Birchers out for their extremist views and actions. Nonny Mouse's point is well taken. Anyone who considers him or her self as an educated observer of politics (like Sully, Brooks, et al) has no excuse for not knowing how far back and how deeply rooted Rethuglican evil is. Kathleennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-74431269024414996542014-01-28T13:31:25.602-06:002014-01-28T13:31:25.602-06:00I have a maybe irrelevant question for you, Driftg...I have a maybe irrelevant question for you, Driftglass: Do you think Sully's historical illiteracy regarding American movement conservatives is genuine -- a product of his Tory blinders -- or feigned -- a cynically crafted mechanism (pathology) to avoid examining the company he's kept over the years? Or a bit of both?<br /><br />--Nonny MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-89989577443856789032014-01-28T13:07:39.363-06:002014-01-28T13:07:39.363-06:00For a guy like Sully -- who made his bones as a go...For a guy like Sully -- who made his bones as a good partisan soldier back in the good old days -- it is pretty self-serving to retreat behind a "the party left me"-excuse. It may be perfectly true that Sully reached his own gag-limit in the mid-aughts but his feigned ignorance about the nature of the GOP base is a pretty obvious CYA mechanism. It is pretty convenient to a certain class of centrist to pretend the modern-GOP is a special brand of crazy, rather than just a concentrated dose of the same old shit.<br /><br />--Nonny MouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-9491503891517698082014-01-28T11:58:58.762-06:002014-01-28T11:58:58.762-06:00I think it was in this same post of Sully projecti...I think it was in this same post of Sully projectile vomit that he also suggested that these billionaire whiners got the idea to act like helpless victims from the 90's LEFT, who, obviously to Sully but completely unbeknownst to me (and I lived here too), were calling all minority groups victims, or something. I mean jeez, I don't even remember there being a LEFT of any note in the 90s.<br /><br />Sullivan must have gotten an urgent message from the Club, saying he was woefully short on his Both Sides dues for the month and risked losing his membership. He crammed a whole shitload of it into that one post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-45567578108103049532014-01-27T22:20:28.463-06:002014-01-27T22:20:28.463-06:00The problem is, once you can lie about anything, y...The problem is, once you can lie about anything, you can lie about everything. Honestly, we are at the point that Michelle Bachman can hold an infant in front of Newt Gingrich, who shouts "Kali Ma! Kali Ma! Shakti De Kali Ma!", rips out the child's still-beating heart, and they both devour it in front of the camera. After Michelle Bachman daintily dabs the gore off her face with a napkin and belches, she can turn to the camera and say, "The Liberal Socialist Gangsta Government of Barack Hussein Obama causes this beloved white Christian child [holding up bloody bones] to be devoured because of the Obamacare Death Camps! But I'm defending Feeeedom, like Jesus wrote about in the Constitution!"<br /><br />And the morons would believe it. <br /><br />So, really, why not? <br /><br />They lie about history. They lie about politics. They lie about science. They lie about math. So why not just lie about every damn thing under the sun?<br /><br />Sullivan? He's talking to the people who would look on that scene and say, "That's too far! The extremes like Michelle Bachman and Nancy Pelosi, what, with their weird... I guess Catholic? rituals...". <br /><br />Sullivan is appealing to the last of the rats to jump the sinking ship. He knows they are OK with lies. Their "last stand" is birth control and pot, but the dog whistle politics that lead up to that didn't deter them. So... Sullivan has to stop short of sacrificing children to Ba'al in front of them. (Yes, I know, "Kali".) And he's OK with that. He wants all the selfishness and willful ignorance, but he doesn't want the bigotry turned on his household. <br /><br />Mike.K. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com