tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post7060179740168597836..comments2024-03-28T21:32:41.763-05:00Comments on driftglass: Jobs?driftglasshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09379167083253389153noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-66442177643371846032012-11-25T09:43:35.567-06:002012-11-25T09:43:35.567-06:00Although this thread is dead, I'd like to toss...Although this thread is dead, I'd like to toss in that Paul Krugman agrees with me:<br /><br />http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/25/the-fake-skills-shortage/Invisible Backhandhttp://invisiblebackhand.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-45520059793570636212012-11-20T22:12:33.641-06:002012-11-20T22:12:33.641-06:00Driftglass:
"3. Also frankly way too many pe...Driftglass:<br /><br />"3. Also frankly way too many people show up at the door looking for that "assistant" job unable to do math, write, read a blueprint and play nice with others. The "warm body" hire is a thing of the past."<br /><br />And yet conservatism torpedoed the education system because nothing is more dangerous to a conservative, or ends bigotry or religious fundamentalism, like education. This was the systematic plan, to keep the greater segment of the population an ignorant, fearful, pliant laborer class. Multinationals see our forests logged and sold off, and factories and sweatshops from sea to shining polluted bacterial-slime sea. <br /><br />I was watching on NetFlix an episode of "No Reservations with Anthony Bourdain" about Colombia, and it was really quite fascinating. One town previously known as "the Assassin's Cradle" was turned around by education. After the infrastructure was largely done, the city, now mayored by a college professor, spends about 40% of its budget on education. The results are dramatic. It was a great example of progressive policies took a city where drug lords trained their soldiers (on the populace) to a place with a literate, productive, hopeful populace. <br /><br />Republicans and "conservative libertarians" would sh*t themselves.<br /><br />Mike.K.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-38607980046450557432012-11-20T21:50:32.088-06:002012-11-20T21:50:32.088-06:00...can I cry my eyes out now?...can I cry my eyes out now?tmknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-64694099520134598702012-11-20T20:13:04.882-06:002012-11-20T20:13:04.882-06:00Here's some actual data, since the Chi Trib do...Here's some actual data, since the Chi Trib doesn't want you to have any:<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/25/magazine/skills-dont-pay-the-bills.html<br /><br />whiner employers would like to pay people $10-$15 an hour.<br /><br />I have news for you. That was a skilled wage in 1980. It's not today.dbtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-69435505130589238262012-11-20T20:03:31.019-06:002012-11-20T20:03:31.019-06:001. Average manufacturing wage is around 50K. Ave...1. Average manufacturing wage is around 50K. Average in Chicago is probably a tick higher: say around 60-62K. "Average" is also a loaded term since manufacturing jobs cover a huge range of skills, positions and industries.<br /><br />Here's one link.<br />http://www.simplyhired.com/a/salary/search/q-manufacturing<br /><br />Or you can use your mouse and Teh Google to research it yourself.<br /><br />2. "Hire an assistant or 2 or 10 for each of the skilled workers you do have" was a worked great in 1980. Now very few people want to let an uncertified noob play with their 300K CNC machine or assembly robot for training purposes. <br /><br />3. Also frankly way too many people show up at the door looking for that "assistant" job unable to do math, write, read a blueprint and play nice with others. The "warm body" hire is a thing of the past.<br /><br />4. Can't speak to the availability of welding jobs currently. I do know that more and more shops demand AWS certification and drug tests and welders as group seem to have a harder time passing a piss test than the average bear :-)<br /><br />5. The Trib is a right-wing paper. They also gave Royko a home. Which is neither here nor there since you can find the same labor shortage stats at a dozen other sources.<br /><br />5. Some employers are dicks. Some aren't. Welcome to the world.<br /> driftglasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09379167083253389153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-35882558951044309902012-11-20T19:34:49.776-06:002012-11-20T19:34:49.776-06:00The not enough skilled workers argument is bullshi...The not enough skilled workers argument is bullshit and always was. Don't have enough skilled workers? Hire an assistant or 2 or 10 for each of the skilled workers you do have. Problem solved.<br /><br />What they really mean is skilled workers who can live on fish heads and rice.Invisible Backhandhttp://invisiblebackhand.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-33171532435961244342012-11-20T19:03:33.751-06:002012-11-20T19:03:33.751-06:00Oh yeah, we've gotten the long version once or...Oh yeah, we've gotten the long version once or twice. Not to mention a few times on The Professional Left podcast.<br /><br />A couple of points. First off, this is the Chicago Tribune talking, a true right wing organ. They're tools.<br /><br />Second, most production welding positions don't pay too well, especially to start. You build up to that with experience you won't get, either because you'll get laid off at the first hint of a downturn, or because they'll let you go to hire some fresh fish they think could do the job for a few bucks less. Elkay in particular isn't known for holding on to their employees.<br /><br />Basically, they want a pool of dedicated welders, all of them smart enough to be making some real money, who are waiting 'umble as you please and hat in hand, Lining up down Camden to 22nd street to sign up to do a filthy, complex, physically exhausting job for the princely sum of $14 an hour or so to start. Good luck on that.<br /><br />Hows about they just build some dormitories for their employees, with barbed wire and nets for jumpers, and get it over with?StonyPillownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-73208927853955405272012-11-20T18:54:01.206-06:002012-11-20T18:54:01.206-06:00maybe you could do a special proleft on the subje...maybe you could do a special proleft on the subject, maybe even arrange a discussion with mike the mad biologist, who is all over education reform?clemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12580289364384467534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-78991745947010697792012-11-20T18:00:18.825-06:002012-11-20T18:00:18.825-06:00Dumb question -- how much do these great, highly s...Dumb question -- how much do these great, highly skilled, in demand unable to find people jobs pay?dbtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-76875504355980978662012-11-20T17:17:11.057-06:002012-11-20T17:17:11.057-06:00The sum of all I've seen you say on this subje...The sum of all I've seen you say on this subject is that you have a lot to say on it but not now.<br /><br />I hope we can get the long version sometime. (Or maybe we did and I missed it.)steevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12620735494191381865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-73066919893412601842012-11-20T16:55:45.194-06:002012-11-20T16:55:45.194-06:00I'm a bit confused and I've seen the same ...I'm a bit confused and I've seen the same refrain several times before.<br /><br />There were and still are millions who have lost their jobs and are not back to work. Not enough have decent enough job skills to make water coolers and faucets with the minimum of instruction? The machines do the work. <br /><br />It just seems strange there are so few skilled workers. I understand that many jobs became service related but still some where somebody must know how to do something. One Flyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03772881642197609507noreply@blogger.com