tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post6757203351285007555..comments2024-03-29T07:36:51.933-05:00Comments on driftglass: The Death of Conservatismdriftglasshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09379167083253389153noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-30871993061395122472008-04-06T08:36:00.000-05:002008-04-06T08:36:00.000-05:00Hey the video supporting this (2 links, one of Buc...Hey the video supporting this (2 links, one of Buckley, the other of Ann Coultergeist, apparently) are no longer available... can this be fixed? i'm just curious to see what was on there.Morris B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11065652346933157445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-45612181841754230032008-03-02T16:51:00.000-06:002008-03-02T16:51:00.000-06:00the man wanted to tatoo HIV infected Gays! gee, w...the man wanted to tatoo HIV infected Gays! gee, wonder where he got that idea from? <BR/><BR/>So no tears from me. But I am grateful that he lived long enough to see the utter moral and intellectual bankruptcy of conservatism. Now THAT is a hard death.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-13762173577278231782008-02-29T03:41:00.000-06:002008-02-29T03:41:00.000-06:00In the end the only thing Buckley had was the prim...In the end the only thing Buckley had was the primacy of the individual, over the social. As if the history of humanity was grounded in an evolution of free ranging individuals void social cohesion. So its not surprising that the net product of his lifes work was predestined to devolve into the banality of fascism - the inadvertent result of worship of the individual and the cult of its authority.anna missedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12749214576299582575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-28616886529845921552008-02-28T20:15:00.000-06:002008-02-28T20:15:00.000-06:00Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.We're not supposed to gloat over ...Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.<BR/><BR/>We're not supposed to gloat over someone shuffling off the mortal coil ... joining the choir invisible.<BR/><BR/>You know, that John Donne No-Man-Is-An-Island stuff?<BR/><BR/>But, day-em! I'm glad this apologist for the bottom-feeders is gonzo. So, color me Vindicta-Bitch. Nobody gets a 50-year pass on Plain and Simple Stupid. Nobody. Not even Billy Bucky.<BR/><BR/>Buh-Bye, Billy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-32008823523790518342008-02-28T15:20:00.000-06:002008-02-28T15:20:00.000-06:00Hmmmm...He defended McCarthy as a anti-communist c...Hmmmm...<BR/><BR/>He defended McCarthy as a anti-communist crusader (even though McCarthy <I>made it all up</I>.)<BR/><BR/>He supported segregation in 1957, calling white people <I>the advanced race</I>.<BR/><BR/>In 1965 he denounced the Birchers... after previously supporting them in his magazine.<BR/><BR/>In 1968 he called Gore Vidal a "queer."<BR/><BR/>He did not object to the Iraq war.<BR/><BR/>And this is just a short stroll through Wikipedia. Such a witty, erudite man!<BR/><BR/>Who, as far as I can tell, has been wrong far more often than he was right. Born the son of an oil baron... snobbish, racist, homophobic and scorning the elements of his philosophy that proved unworkable in practice without ever changing his mind about the philosophy in the first place... ah, Buckley.<BR/><BR/>I wish I was as charitable as dear Driftglass.WereBearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17746779803342657146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-24809292325647881962008-02-28T06:39:00.000-06:002008-02-28T06:39:00.000-06:00Maybe now his hair will get washed.Maybe now his hair will get washed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-25445221748320016022008-02-27T23:38:00.000-06:002008-02-27T23:38:00.000-06:00What a jarring segue. From reasoned, intelligent ...What a jarring segue. From reasoned, intelligent conversation and debate to that screeching, water-headed harridan.<BR/><BR/>Brain bleach and eye wash, stat!<BR/><BR/>Selah<BR/>CAGaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-90078352226274812242008-02-27T18:27:00.000-06:002008-02-27T18:27:00.000-06:00I understand your point, BG. I believe--and it cer...I understand your point, BG. I believe--and it certainly seems to me from past Driftglass posts that he believes--that all of the seeds of hate, spew, lies, death, suffering, destruction, and misery were present in the early conservative ideology given loudest primary voice by Buckley. The fact that he was personally clever, witty, intelligent, eloquent, and an all-around nice guy who always bought a round at the local watering hole doesn't change the fact that he planted, watered, and nurtured these seeds.<BR/><BR/>Regardless of the accuracy of this stance, I hope that Driftglass will chime in to confirm (or debunk) my inference that he has taken this stance in prior posts here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-53023420816768496482008-02-27T17:37:00.000-06:002008-02-27T17:37:00.000-06:00...and on topic, what Glenn Greenwald said, Drifty......and on topic, <A HREF="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/02/27/buckley/" REL="nofollow">what Glenn Greenwald said</A>, Drifty says more poetically, but still.Fran / Blue Galhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18293627981248346055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-63612169515099985232008-02-27T17:10:00.000-06:002008-02-27T17:10:00.000-06:00I disagree, physioprof. Buckley and the conservat...I disagree, physioprof. Buckley and the conservatives of the 60's were a completely different breed from what we have today in Rupert Murdoch's spittoon of fabrication for a cause. As I point out at my place, Buckley was wrong nearly all of the time, but he did not lie under force of money or fame, and he judged cleverness and wit far more valuable a weapon in debate than hate and spew.<BR/><BR/>Buckley, Goldwater, David Gergen, John Dean, and I would even argue George Will's non-evil twin (who only appears with every other blue moon) are/were intellectuals. We can disagree with their IDEAS completely but they are IDEAS. That is a different thing from a lie, a talking point, a spin, that the gargoyles are paid to spew by Fox. <BR/><BR/>It's not irony, not at all, that Rupert Murdoch has destroyed conservatism in hie efforts to make it invincible. <BR/><BR/>Thanks, Drifty. Wonderful post.Fran / Blue Galhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18293627981248346055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-91148551280435488502008-02-27T16:56:00.000-06:002008-02-27T16:56:00.000-06:00Driftglass, you are being nice to Buckley because ...Driftglass, you are being nice to Buckley because he just died. You have made it very clear on this blog that your view--which I agree wholeheartedly with--is that conservatism as a political ideology is pragmatically inconsistent with the reality of human nature and morally bankrupt, and was thus essentially peordained to ultimately result in the hideous large-scale megaclusterfuck we now find ourselves saddled with. ANd it is going to take decades to recover from the fruits of that sick ideology, if we ever do.<BR/><BR/>If anything, someone as brilliant as Buckley is more culpable for espousing the morally twisted conservative ideology, precisely because he should have seen more clearly than anyone where this ideology would lead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-19675148198395135572008-02-27T16:41:00.000-06:002008-02-27T16:41:00.000-06:00DG- your demonstration of honoring another human b...DG- your demonstration of honoring another human being while still forcefully disagreeing with their opinion is an important lesson. And your use of the term tragedy brings a degree of nobility, even in the face of a cause going horribly wrong.<BR/><BR/>Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-88603482147774599202008-02-27T15:55:00.000-06:002008-02-27T15:55:00.000-06:00In the end the ideological children Buckley begat ...<I>In the end the ideological children Buckley begat turned out to be monsters. Gargoyles who have now fully taken over his cathedral, shit in the holy water and used its cross to build a bonfire onto which they have hurled just about everything he held dear.</I><BR/><BR/>No, wai!! Jonah Goldberg is so Buckley's intellectual heir!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-62695473352533360152008-02-27T15:01:00.000-06:002008-02-27T15:01:00.000-06:00again your writing withers not only the opposition...again your writing withers not only the opposition, but the home team by comparison,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-91091211553807611992008-02-27T14:54:00.000-06:002008-02-27T14:54:00.000-06:00That was a brilliant post.That was a brilliant post.Anonymoustachehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07087423180514517335noreply@blogger.com