tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post3975251828908108850..comments2024-03-28T09:14:20.479-05:00Comments on driftglass: Sunday Morning Comin' Down -- UPDATEdriftglasshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09379167083253389153noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-25355051493319774102013-09-04T21:30:37.986-05:002013-09-04T21:30:37.986-05:00Meanwhile, as far down the spectrum as one can get...<i>Meanwhile, as far down the spectrum as one can get from Holy Joe, the "Tavis Smiley" half of the "Smiley and West's Deeply, Deeply Disappointed in Barack Obama Road Show" hangs a Deeply Disappointed expression on his face and explains how Vietnam is Syria, how violence is never the answer, and how Deeply Disappointed he is that President Barack Obama is not President Martin Luther King, Jr.</i><br /><br />Oh my god yes, DG. You've totally unmasked the concern troll that is Tavis Smiley. Much like Krugman's "Very Serious People" (not really serious), Smiley & West aren't <i>really</i> disappointed in Obama for legitimate reasons. They're not frustrated about things not tangibly improving the lives of black people; not angry about the still-racist policies under Obama like the drug war and harsher penalties for crack; or the targeting of muslims (many of whom are black); or the persistent wealth gap that has only worsened under Obama; no no, you've seen through it, Tavis is just trolling us all. He's on a "Road Show." He "hangs" a mask over his face. When people criticize Obama from the left, or feel that their communities are not being served appropriately by him, they're really just concern-trolling. It's not real.<br /><br />Rotting somewhere at the bottom of the sea, the remains of Osama bin Laden could not be reached for comment as to whether or not violence is never the answer.<br /><br />Truly DG, you are the new, less famous and less popular Tom Friedman. I mean, you are <b>so</b> right: this guy killed Osama bin Laden. And by pumping a bullet in the brain of an old man heading a now-disheveled terrorist organization and dumping his body in the ocean, terrorism and threats to American lives have ended. All is better now and the death of bin Laden proves the usefulness of violence. After all, that's exactly what America needed to say to the world: Suck. On. This.<br /><br />Replace "Osama bin Laden" with "Saddam Hussein" and see how far your argument about violence gets you, and what it sounds like. About what I've seen happen on this blog, I can only quote the old Bajoran saying, "He who studies is in turn studied by evil."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-48670737193587178992013-09-03T02:48:28.876-05:002013-09-03T02:48:28.876-05:00Overclock,
"delegitmize American govt. compl...Overclock,<br /><br />"delegitmize American govt. completely..."<br /><br />oeuf. If only. Explain to me the ignobility of such a goal, which I am definitely not attributing to Greenwald. Seriously. For my part, I think they have de-legitimated themselves, with zero help from myself or Greenwald. Compound Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12754909356084772352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-66434083459439705092013-09-02T22:34:32.080-05:002013-09-02T22:34:32.080-05:00Not gratuitous here. "[T]he only two acceptab...Not gratuitous here. "[T]he only two acceptable positions anyone is allowed to take" says it all. Who said anything about what is or isn't acceptable? Who's allowing whom to do what? Your choice of words in response is symptomatically evasive. For all of your bluntness and swagger, your self-certainty and self-righteousness, you're rendered almost mute by a series of rhetorical questions that lament the seeming inevitability of officially sanctioned military violence. This isn't what liberal has ever meant in my book. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-64740628899122898232013-09-02T16:12:15.762-05:002013-09-02T16:12:15.762-05:00And here I thought Osama bin Laden died of kidney ...And here I thought Osama bin Laden died of kidney failure on December 13, 2001.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-11795651691123444582013-09-02T13:57:09.984-05:002013-09-02T13:57:09.984-05:00Driftglass: You're every bit as insightful and...Driftglass: You're every bit as insightful and articulate as Pierce (whom I no longer read) and as funny as TBOGG (whose writing I miss). Your riff on the Smiley and West road show is classic. urbanmeemawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-28340428421929950062013-09-02T13:23:16.409-05:002013-09-02T13:23:16.409-05:00http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/a-pro...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/a-progressive-perspective_b_3854243.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-92153724778678358462013-09-02T13:14:09.268-05:002013-09-02T13:14:09.268-05:00God..save us from the intentionally obtuse.
It is ...God..save us from the intentionally obtuse.<br />It is not "a missile strike", it is the removal of the advanced military capabilities Assad has to wage war against his own population.<br />Right now it is his artillery, his planes, his helicopters launching his conventional and his chemical weapons vs. varied factions with AK-47's and a few shoulder fired launchers!<br />There will be no peace talks between Assad and those varied factions as long as he maintains that massive advantage. He will continue to rain fire and chemicals down on the population, until his ability to do so is taken away from him.<br />Forget, whatever groups the various factions are composed of,right now they are using the civilian population as shields, and Assad doesn't care who he hits.<br />So removing his ability to use that modern weaponry, at the very least, slows down the killing, conventional and otherwise...<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-35691231849675648352013-09-02T10:29:38.474-05:002013-09-02T10:29:38.474-05:00Could you tell me what problem a missile strike wi...Could you tell me what problem a missile strike will solve?<br /><br />As I understand it, this is a demonstration of pique. Assad, or people associated with Assad, used chemical weapons, so we must bomb some part of his infrastructure to register our disapproval. <br /><br />And this solves, what? How does this make a cease fire possible? How does this direct more resources and support to Syrian refugees. How does this support secular Syrian civil society projects?<br /><br />Oh, it doesn't. <br /><br />StwAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-21390725687649118402013-09-02T10:12:23.567-05:002013-09-02T10:12:23.567-05:00Afraid I agree with Compound F here...and don'...Afraid I agree with Compound F here...and don't quite understand why Greenwald has been placed on dg's hate list right up there with Brooks, Broder, Friedman and Kristol. I think Greenwald is doing this country a great favor by helping these releases of US misdeeds (the latest being how we spied on the presidents of Mexico and Brazil!)<br /><br />The leaders of this country are doing a DAMN GOOD JOB of bringing down this country around our ears, and to somehow blame it on Greenwald is mistaking a messenger for a traitor.wagonjakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15955702903050695770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-58135879352728729532013-09-02T10:05:43.247-05:002013-09-02T10:05:43.247-05:00gratuitous,
Just to make sure I understand, you a...gratuitous,<br /><br />Just to make sure I understand, you are actually arguing that the only two acceptable positions anyone is allowed to take in this debate is either that force (which is what we're talking about) <b>never solves anything</b> or that <b>force always solves everything</b>? driftglasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09379167083253389153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-78340396591544077932013-09-02T09:48:33.536-05:002013-09-02T09:48:33.536-05:00Yeah, we sure showed that bin Laden fella, and now...Yeah, we sure showed that bin Laden fella, and now all violence everywhere has magically stopped!<br /><br />Brilliant!<br /><br />Maybe, just maybe, this is one of those times when setting the military in motion to visit some indiscriminate bombing and missiling on folks isn't the answer? If a crime against humanity has been committed, maybe, just maybe, we can trust the rule of international law to work, and bring the malefactors to justice to answer for their crimes? Invoke international norms agreed upon for nearly 90 years to operate and show the world that the United States has changed its tune and is ready to let the law do its work? That it's not too late to do the right thing, even after a decade of our own crimes against humanity?<br /><br />Naaaaaah. Bombs away!gratuitousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-30341332050658665352013-09-02T09:19:02.305-05:002013-09-02T09:19:02.305-05:00"Cruise Missile Liberals"
THANK YOU, CF..."Cruise Missile Liberals"<br /><br /><b>THANK YOU</b>, CF.<br /><br />I was looking for a good successor term to "Cold War Liberals". ^_^Carmelo Clandestinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-10366098948472480622013-09-02T02:25:44.761-05:002013-09-02T02:25:44.761-05:00Nah, you folks just keep *making* everything about...Nah, you folks just keep *making* everything about Greenwald. He's like your imaginary friend whom you hate and blame everything on. He's your "Mr. Maconium!" Except that you're trying to convince <i>everyone</i> he's Mr. Maconium, because the reality of wars of aggression from the uniparty state is fine with you as long as the correct right wing is doing it.<br /><br />Plus all your twaddle about "libertarians" is twaddle. I'm no libertarian, and I despise cruise missile liberals like you can't imagine.<br /><br />Hang up your obsessions with Greenwald, all of you, which have nothing to do with fukall, fukity bye. Compound Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12754909356084772352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-34155748138443636882013-09-01T22:45:30.457-05:002013-09-01T22:45:30.457-05:00Greenwald has a lot to do with this because his en...Greenwald has a lot to do with this because his entire goal is to delegitimize the American government completely, and have Democrats destroy their own party (which of course will let the most rabid of the right wingers loose, ravage women and the poor) all because this will magically translate into... utopia!<br /><br />It's utterly wrong and stupid, but that can be said of all libertarian crackpot schemes. I'm also fairly sure Glenn will find a way to interject himself into anything that happens in Syria. Because as well all know, everything is always about Glenn!<br /><br />Things can stop being about Greenwald when he stops making them about him. Democrats can start not thinking him and his supporters are certifiable when they stop lying, start dealing in facts, and stop claiming destroying the Democratic party is a magical solution to the worlds problems.<br /><br />Till then, they can remain mocked and marginalized as cranks, loons, and liars in the public circle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-66990013741003206202013-09-01T22:16:50.820-05:002013-09-01T22:16:50.820-05:00And the verdict is in before the trial has even be...And the verdict is in before the trial has even begun.Damian, Pink No Morenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-35923628114079001632013-09-01T19:57:04.207-05:002013-09-01T19:57:04.207-05:00I would just like to point out, after listening to...I would just like to point out, after listening to the varied punditry hold forth over the last three days, a simple bit of logistical info.<br />We do not have to directly target chemical weapons storage itself to have a dramatic impact on Assad' ability to kill his people in new and excruciating ways, or old and excruciating ways...<br />The weapons themselves are just artillery shells or bombs, they require delivery systems...conventional delivery systems to be utilized.<br />These can be anything from fixed artillery to mobile, helicopters, fighter jets...the works.<br />Who doesn't think in the time the President and his military advisers have had to consider action, they have not located and locked in a number of these delivery systems to be ...taken out?<br />Not only does targeting and attacking all of these systems, take away Assad's ability to launch chemical attacks, it also mitigates some of the lopsided nature this conflict has had so far.<br />All of this can be done without a single U.S. boot on the ground, as I have heard so many people lament, and it will most assuredly slow down the overall slaughter rate that has taken place so far.<br />I would have thought this method and goal to be the obvious plan...but apparently these days, obvious is just too complex for today's arm chair generals on the go....<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11363027.post-64342837402538871082013-09-01T18:57:08.339-05:002013-09-01T18:57:08.339-05:00Obama is possibly bringing the case to Congress be...Obama is possibly bringing the case to Congress because Cameron got his butt handed to him. He needs to spread the blame for his impending crimes as broadly as possible. I do see this as an improvement over unchecked executive power, but it's hard to say what Obama's calculations entail. He could be trying to torpedo an act of war, but that seems far-fetched given his history and recent stern rhetoric.<br /><br />what does greenwald have to do with this again? I've already forgotten.<br /><br />Compound Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12754909356084772352noreply@blogger.com